Agreed. But just because 2/3 of the traffic goes that way doesn’t mean I gain anything from it.
And as long as the fax machine is downloading images as quickly as the mobile phone. Does it matter? > On Oct 23, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Matt, that's a strawman. Nobody in this thread has argued that IPv4 isn't > alive or in demand. > > However, if you did implement dual stack I think you'd find that 2/3's of > your traffic (by volume) will run on IPv6. IPv6 was created 20 years ago. > It's not new or "beta". Adoption has been slow for all the reasons you > stated about costs vs benefits, but IPv4 depletion is pushing this issue over > the hump. > > If you're able to get what you need and you're happy with the prices then > nobody's going to make you change, but eventually you're going to get odd > looks like the old guy who won't give up his fax machine. > > >> On 10/23/2019 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> Prices for IPv4 on the secondary market continue to rise... that doesn't >> sound like a commodity that's on its way out.. that sounds like something >> that's very much alive and in demand. >> >>> On 10/23/19 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> Not a penny wise, but definitely a pound foolish. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:01:22 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space >>> >>> FUD ALERT! FUD ALERT! IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's not >>> practical. There are too many things that rely on IPv4. And until >>> I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy IPv6. We have >>> an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in dual stacking >>> and no financial gain until we need to. >>> >>> Right now there is a negative benefit for deploying IPv6 (overhead, >>> management, no ROI, can't bill customers for static IPs). >>> >>> We have a plan, but until it's needed we don't plan to roll it out. >>> IPv4 will be here for many years to come. >>> >>> On 10/23/19 8:54 AM, dave via AF wrote: >>> > >>> > Yeah.. No.. >>> > They are more up to date than you think just not ahead >>> > >>> > On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >> yeah, no. >>> >> .gov agencies still run dos >>> >> 10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized enough to >>> >> shut down ip4 access >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF <af@af.afmug.com >>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if the >>> >> .govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons. No more FCC/ >>> >> IRS or any .GOV unless over v6. Note that the current plan is 2-3 >>> >> years, I have given it an extra year for measure! >>> >> >>> >> V6 should be deployed NOW. Not later, when you HAVE TO. Then >>> >> you will be making mistakes etc. >>> >> >>> >> *LTI-Full_175px* >>> >> >>> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> >> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium >>> >> ePMP Certified * >>> >> >>> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >> >>> >> *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >> >>> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>> >> >>> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >> <http://www.towercoverage.com> >>> >> >>> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones >>> >> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM >>> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space >>> >> >>> >> NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space >>> >> >>> >> IP6 is still years out for us >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>> >> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual >>> >> stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs. There's a learning >>> >> curve, but it's not that bad. >>> >> >>> >> -Adam >>> >> >>> >> On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Where is the best place to get these? How do we verify >>> >> space has a decent reputation so we dont go through months >>> >> of cleanup and all that stuff? >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> AF mailing list >>> >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> AF mailing list >>> >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
