Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:13:18 -0800

I don't think so. In moderate rain zones the AF24HD can go 2 miles, and maybe some change. I'm not sure how far you can go on 80 GHz, but I'm pretty sure it isn't that far.


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On 2/26/2020 9:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Is the range equivalent?
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:59 AM
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for $5,000 the Aviat 80ghz solution is actually cheaper than AF24HD and 10x the throughput!
 
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:36 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good to know. That's an incredibly good deal... definitely what I'd go with. You'll probably be paying at least that for a 1Gbps link from any of the other manufacturers.
 
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:20 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
Yes I ran into the same thing with the web store showing a higher cost.
 
Just reach out to Ken and he'll quote you the pricing I'm talking about.
 
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 9:05 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
It may be WISPA member pricing.
 
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:02 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there some kind of special pricing or something? I logged into my Aviat account, and it's looking more like $7k for a link to me.
 
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:05 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes - this is the WTM4800.
 
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:53 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
That is an insane value proposition over the AF24HD.
 
Which specific radio, the 10G single band 4800?

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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:29:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

The best deal right now is Aviat 10Gbps full duplex for about $5k with dishes and everything.
 
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
Good choice Lewis!
 
We have a dozen of them and they are rock solid and fast!  Been really amazed during rain events (heavy mountain downpours) that they keep on keepin on!!
 
-Sean
 
 
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 6:27 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone. I think we'll give the 80G Siklu a shot.
 
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
At that distance, rain fade shouldn't be a problem with 60ghz, so it really comes down to hardware reliability, and budget, and specific requirements.
 
If the project isn't cost sensitive, and you want the best you can get, then just go with 80ghz... there basically is no cheap junk for that band, so just pick your favorite vendor and buy what they have.
If you do want to go cheap, then there are a few things to consider. Ignitenet an Ubiquiti (although I don't think their radios are actually shipping yet), have an extra channel at the top end of the band that can get a bit better range, which the Mikrotiks can't (legally) use... but that's not really going to make a lot of difference at that distance anyway. Ignitenet is the only one with an SFP port, if that matters, and they also have a radio that's capable of 2.5gbps, instead of only 1gpbs... they're also the most expensive of the cheap options. Mikrotik uses a beam forming antenna, so they're about 100000x easier to aim then the Ignitenets (I believe Ubiquiti does as well, but I haven't used their radios yet).
 
None of the cheap 60ghz radios are true full duplex radios, but I think they're all capable of delivering a full gig in each direction at the same time.
 
If you don't want cheap, but don't want to deal with 80ghz licensing (which is pretty cheap and simple, but it is another thing that has to be done), then Siklu 60ghz would probably be a good option. Or you could just stick with AF24HD, which will certainly do the job, but considering what they cost, it makes more sense to me to just go with 80ghz at that distance. You could also go with Mimosa B24 for 24ghz, but they're half duplex radios, and I don't think that they can handle a full 2gbps aggregate.
 
 
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
I guess it depends on the 9s you want.
Cheaper is not always better for consistency.



On 2/24/20 8:36 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
No way I would consider AF24HD for this.  You can get 80ghz links for less that do MUCH more throughput (10Gbps).
 
Vendors in this space include Bridgewave, Siklu and Aviat.  Aviat probably gives you the best bang for your buck.  Cambium has a new mmWave product, but I don't know anything about it.
 
Josh
 
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
Not sure which product mentioned but the PTP550 unlicensed will take all of your 5g spectrum and
there is the ptp850E


On 2/24/20 8:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their product selector returns no matches .
 
Ubiquiti has the 24HD.
 
Anything else I should be aware of?
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