Depends on dish size and rain zone.. there are folks who definitely have
2mi 80ghz links.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:12 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think so. In moderate rain zones the AF24HD can go 2 miles, and
> maybe some change. I'm not sure how far you can go on 80 GHz, but I'm
> pretty sure it isn't that far.
>
>
> bp
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>
> On 2/26/2020 9:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Is the range equivalent?
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex
>
> for $5,000 the Aviat 80ghz solution is actually cheaper than AF24HD and
> 10x the throughput!
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:36 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good to know. That's an incredibly good deal... definitely what I'd go
>> with. You'll probably be paying at least that for a 1Gbps link from any of
>> the other manufacturers.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:20 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I ran into the same thing with the web store showing a higher cost.
>>>
>>> Just reach out to Ken and he'll quote you the pricing I'm talking about.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 9:05 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It may be WISPA member pricing.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:02 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there some kind of special pricing or something? I logged into my
>>>>> Aviat account, and it's looking more like $7k for a link to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:05 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes - this is the WTM4800.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:53 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is an insane value proposition over the AF24HD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which specific radio, the 10G single band 4800?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>>>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:29:10 PM
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best deal right now is Aviat 10Gbps full duplex for about $5k
>>>>>>> with dishes and everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good choice Lewis!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have a dozen of them and they are rock solid and fast! Been
>>>>>>>> really amazed during rain events (heavy mountain downpours) that they
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> on keepin on!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 6:27 PM Lewis Bergman <
>>>>>>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone. I think we'll give the 80G Siklu a shot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mathew Howard <
>>>>>>>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At that distance, rain fade shouldn't be a problem with 60ghz, so
>>>>>>>>>> it really comes down to hardware reliability, and budget, and
>>>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the project isn't cost sensitive, and you want the best you
>>>>>>>>>> can get, then just go with 80ghz... there basically is no cheap junk
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> that band, so just pick your favorite vendor and buy what they have.
>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to go cheap, then there are a few things to
>>>>>>>>>> consider. Ignitenet an Ubiquiti (although I don't think their radios
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> actually shipping yet), have an extra channel at the top end of the
>>>>>>>>>> band
>>>>>>>>>> that can get a bit better range, which the Mikrotiks can't (legally)
>>>>>>>>>> use...
>>>>>>>>>> but that's not really going to make a lot of difference at that
>>>>>>>>>> distance
>>>>>>>>>> anyway. Ignitenet is the only one with an SFP port, if that matters,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> they also have a radio that's capable of 2.5gbps, instead of only
>>>>>>>>>> 1gpbs...
>>>>>>>>>> they're also the most expensive of the cheap options. Mikrotik uses
>>>>>>>>>> a beam
>>>>>>>>>> forming antenna, so they're about 100000x easier to aim then the
>>>>>>>>>> Ignitenets
>>>>>>>>>> (I believe Ubiquiti does as well, but I haven't used their radios
>>>>>>>>>> yet).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> None of the cheap 60ghz radios are true full duplex radios, but I
>>>>>>>>>> think they're all capable of delivering a full gig in each direction
>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>> same time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't want cheap, but don't want to deal with 80ghz
>>>>>>>>>> licensing (which is pretty cheap and simple, but it is another thing
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> has to be done), then Siklu 60ghz would probably be a good option.
>>>>>>>>>> Or you
>>>>>>>>>> could just stick with AF24HD, which will certainly do the job, but
>>>>>>>>>> considering what they cost, it makes more sense to me to just go
>>>>>>>>>> with 80ghz
>>>>>>>>>> at that distance. You could also go with Mimosa B24 for 24ghz, but
>>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>> half duplex radios, and I don't think that they can handle a full
>>>>>>>>>> 2gbps
>>>>>>>>>> aggregate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM dave <dmilho...@wletc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on the 9s you want.
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheaper is not always better for consistency.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/20 8:36 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No way I would consider AF24HD for this. You can get 80ghz
>>>>>>>>>>> links for less that do MUCH more throughput (10Gbps).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Vendors in this space include Bridgewave, Siklu and Aviat.
>>>>>>>>>>> Aviat probably gives you the best bang for your buck. Cambium has
>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>> mmWave product, but I don't know anything about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM dave <dmilho...@wletc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure which product mentioned but the PTP550 unlicensed will
>>>>>>>>>>>> take all of your 5g spectrum and
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is the ptp850E
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/20 8:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the current recommendations for something like this. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> see Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their
>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>> selector returns no matches .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubiquiti has the 24HD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else I should be aware of?
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