In these times, it’s impossible to tell.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:01 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question I hope it's clear that I wasn't serious with the last two messages by the way. On 3/23/2020 10:38 AM, Steve Jones wrote: this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped from wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: I bet cicely is a Nigerian*. *Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence. On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote: I got this this morning from China cic...@sunmoon.work <mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work> <cic...@sunmoon.work <mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work> > 3:29 AM (4 hours ago) <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif> to me <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif> Hi dear, I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world ,so could we resend another one to you? We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our apology. Please let me know if i can resend the item for you. Looking forward to receiving your reply. Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point. The only "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers. You're implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific countries. That's not realistic. Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time. You let somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they pull strings or sneak them out. That's the early leaks. Nobody realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger. A quarantine is a best effort. It's also understood that bureaucrats in China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too). "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are willing to comply with the order not to cross. So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for when they wanted it to be is not realistic. As a parallel incident, even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany. You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus, but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus. How they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them than to believe randos on the Internet. There's nobody to blame for this. The Chinese didn't create the virus in a lab. The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus. Until you see some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing more about it. It might give you a direction in which to channel your frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides no solutions. -Adam On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote: > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet, > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus > so easily escape to outside the country. Why are some of China’s > perhaps favored countries less prone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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