https://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-involuntary-manslaughter-laws.html
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I would presume California has something similar to 2nd and 3rd degree murder. I think Sirhan Sirhan got 3rd degree murder in California.From: Adam MoffettSent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:51 AMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liabilityThis isn't a universal thing. In Bill's state, murder requires "Malice aforethought"
On 5/11/2020 12:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
no it doesntOn Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:25 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
--It is not justice in my opinion. I suppose you could make a case for manslaughter, but not murder. Murder requires premeditation.
bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 5/11/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
So one burglar is charged with murdering the second burglar who was shot by the homeowner? Am I following that correctly?
That doesn't seem logical.
On 5/11/2020 10:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Im going to go out on a limb and say these plants probably do not use E Verify. We have a case going where two kids broke in to rob a house, homeowner shot and killed one of them, the one that didnt die is charged with murder because a death occurred during the commission of a crime. So say these plant are committing the crime of hiring undocumented, and a death occurred, then maybe the company leadership could be held criminally liable. would be interesting to seeOn Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
--Some people have suggested the spread at meat packing plants (which are disinfected daily in the normal course of business) may actually be occurring outside the plants, due to things like communal housing. This is a claim rife with social, economic and racial prejudice. Yet I think it has merit. Which probably means I’m prejudiced.
I would like to think the companies are implementing major changes in changing areas, bathrooms, lunchrooms, entrances and exits, etc, not just distancing on the production lines. But I would also like to hear that the companies or towns or states or somebody is setting up places for infected workers to isolate rather than just go home and infect their families and neighbors. Or maybe setup some kind of temporary housing to cut the spread outside the plants.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of James Howard
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In case people didn’t read the article, Benjamin is the fellow who died. He was the union Chief Steward…….
Another point that occurred to me is that everybody just seems to assume that he contracted COVID at work. What if he got it somewhere else and he was the one that brought it to that plant and spread it?
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
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Seems like they employees should be suing the union, after all that was who they were paying dues to to protect them in the workplace. Apparentl the union did a pretty crappy job.
Mark
On May 10, 2020, at 11:17 PM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
Benjamin was Chief Steward of Local 1776, a chapter of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union.
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
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A 70 year old was working at a slaughterhouse?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
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And so it begins.
On May 10, 2020, at 10:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Only for ugly people.
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On May 10, 2020, at 7:59 PM, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
There are 2 separate issues. Having the government tell everyone they must wear a mask is one thing. A business requiring customers wear a mask to enter their store is another. The second actually correlates to your example and is certainly the right of any business to put certain requirements on using their facility (within lawful limits of course). If people don’t want to abide by their requirements, they are free to go somewhere else or stay home if no one will let them in their place of business.
On the other hand, I assume that it will eventually come before the Supreme Court to decide if it is a violation of some “right” or other to be told that everyone is required to wear a mask in public.
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
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To those saying "why should I have to wear a mask when in public".... do
you also complain about "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service"?
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