Underwear is the new business casual?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:51 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
+1 while in underwear
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org
<mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to
list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me,
its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility.
Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what
you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes
pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all
with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a
config file over.
That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under
10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares.
But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out,
stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use
some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine
whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or
switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely
and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it
automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources
expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :)
--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
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*From: *"Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on
a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and
L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR
for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and
another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps
interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's.
Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86.
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying
to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in
a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult,
I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing.
Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or
are you virtualizing your core network routing.
On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots
if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I
can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like
the Maxxwave that we're talking about here.
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies
<m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Josh,
Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE
test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot?Â
Why not just use the backup/export features of
mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic
VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as
backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with
the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with
my routerboards. Â
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Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote:
Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and
it would definitely be an interruption - really bad
for stateful things.
Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with
maybe 128 megabytes.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney
<st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
wrote:
Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares'
functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to
either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc.Â
The process in how it is done is similar across all
platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The
performance is dependent on how well the hardware
performs. For example I have one server that isn't
very large on the same host as a server that is a
massive moving target (non stop writing/reading). One
will backup much faster than the other depending on
the storage capabilities, network capabilities ..
overall the hardware capabilities. If I moved both
servers to a new host with better hardware, faster
network, Â the backups times and performance would
increase on both. To the point where possibly there
is no disruption for either server.
The question is whether or not people have done
virtual backups on CHR's without disruptions,
specifically on this Maxxwave. Â
HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this
scenario. The CHR would have to be non responsive
for quite a long time without any other processes
still taking place to it (the entire backup process
would have had to have crashed). For me HA only
works if a server is down on 1 host, it'll bring it up
on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if
a backup is taking a while. Â If any backup takes that
long I'd never use it as a router. Â
Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for
disaster when running routers. DRS as well is part of
that equation and I wouldn't recommend that either for
a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare
unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with
vswitches and virtual networking. I'm just running
standard Vsphere. Â
I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight
compared to some servers. Most can be contained in
memory with little disk IO so snapshots and commits
will be quick. The question was if any customers use
the Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots.
Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show
support for larger than 10Gbps. Â
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Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
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*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If
you do a snapshot and copy, that will mostly halt your
system until it can set aside a temporary disk. If
you do HA it won't cause any delay.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney
<st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
wrote:
I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone
know if they have support coming for faster than
10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual vsphere
environment? How are snapshots and backups for it?Â
Any lag or performance hits during the process? Â
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Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router.
They are using CHR on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance,
which works remarkably well.
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He
seems to always be on top of it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has
been nothing but totally reliable since we got one in
January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps through it though,
but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was
darn near the same cost as a CCR1072.
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard
<ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Yeah, there seems to be is the key……  I did that
with the last one and had some compatibility issues
with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up saving
any money over buying one already put together. Â
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM
*To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network
appliance PC from somewhere. There seem to be dozens
of options.
On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote:
Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to
get the Maxxwave in again. We have one of the
Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they were
available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They
don’t seem to list the PowerRouter that they used to
sell on their site anymore.
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out
of stock, is it actually discontinued? Linktechs
might have one, if you don’t want to build your own.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *James
Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7
box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take
a dump so we need to get another backup (or two).Â
Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes
available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our
current boxes.
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Dennis Burgess via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM
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*Cc:* Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net
<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7....
Dennis Burgess
Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing
Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer,
Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer,
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support
Services
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Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004
https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044
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