We got to sign the paddle when we got whacked. Kinda a point of pride to have
your name there.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy
Most of the teachers in grade school carried a paddle whenever we had a large
gathering (like when we were in line for lunch). Some of the more aggressive
teachers drilled large holes in their paddles to allow them to swing harder.
I was never sure of the effectiveness of that.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 6/16/2020 7:35 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I remember teachers getting into fistfights with kids in HS. Teacher was
never in trouble.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 8:31 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy
One thing Steve pointed out that I can attest is a very real thing right now:
teachers can't touch the kids at all. Not just corporal punishment, but you
can't push, pull, grab, manhandle, restrain, or anything of the sort. They
can't touch the kid at all. My wife was doing before-school daycare at the
elementary school (for parents who need to drop the kid of early and then get
to work), and same rules applied to her. She let one of the fifth graders in
on the secret that the only thing she can really do to a kid is talk sternly.
She needed the bigger kid as an ally to set the tone of behavior for all the
other kids. If some troubled kid went berserk the only thing she'd really be
able to do is call the police.
So I don't think it was about school shootings. I think they just need
someone around who is allowed to do something if a kid gets out of control.
On 6/16/2020 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
It's all about the escalation of threat. Somebody shoots up a school, then
we have to arm all the schools (what's wrong with that idea?). Give them MRAPs
too. That's a good way to spend money.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 6/15/2020 8:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
When did they start having cops in schools? Never once in my K-12 days
did I see a policeman in my school. I’ll have to ask my kids if they ever did.
Maybe I led a privileged life.
College had “campus cops” but they were kind of a joke, mostly relegated
to writing parking tickets.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy
Not around here. That must be an Illinois thing. I left that place
sometime around 1967.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 6/15/2020 7:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
you ever seen a podunk meth dealers arsenal?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:33 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think one of the things they want to do is de-militarize the
police. Local podunk PDs have no business buying million dollar MRAPs.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 6/15/2020 7:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
the problem is the defund the police folks dont understand
economics. there isnt enough money as it is for maintaining the police presence
for the criminal side of things. taking that money and paying for a bunch of
counsellors doesnt lead to having enough cops. Removing police from schools is
a 1 percent thing, the other 99 percent will pull their kids out without
resource officers. Mental health still will need police, they dont go to a hot
environment because they dont have arrest powers if it goes downhill, and you
dont want jonna the counselor having to fight the loon.
They want to disarm the police. thats a big no, complete non
starter. They consider the bullet proof vests to be a mechanism of
intimidation, anyone who has actually had a vest do its job would never let
somebody else go in without one.
Maybe they try an actual wholistic approach, stop making everything
illegal, and you immediately have less criminals
stop overcharging for pleas, Mike flynn being an ally example I
wish they would recognize. The media says if he wasnt guilty, why would he take
a plea? I can find you thousands of young black men who can answer that
question without skipping a beat.
Get rid of plea bargains all together, make DAs actually work for
their conviction rates at trial, bet you see a less burdened court and prison
system right quick.
Prisons cost 30-70k annually per inmate. Thats a whole lot of dough
to put into those other programs, and over time that cost goes down as guards
age out and dont need to be replaced because the cells are empty.
defund the police is targeting a symptom of a virus and giving it
an antibiotic (its the wrong treatment)
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:38 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
For many people, that seems to mean stop funding the police to
deal with issues like mental health, homelessness, domestic disputes, street
vendors, routine discipline in schools, etc., and instead use that money to
fund specialists, and let the police handle murders and robberies and stuff.
I had a discussion with someone who is all for defund the police
and I said if that’s what they mean, the term really sucks, because it conveys
something totally different and many people are not going to support something
that sounds like disband the police and then nobody handles murders and
robberies. Rather than saying reform the police, or narrow their focus, or
move some of their responsibilities to other agencies. But he said I was
wrong, without really explaining why I was wrong. I think he meant we can call
it what we want to, who cares if it’s unnecessarily provocative. Or maybe he
really does want to disband the police.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of justsumname .
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 6:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy
is it just the 'news' that I'm reading or are things really going
totally bathshitcrazy ?!? "de-fund the police" .... is just ONE thing.
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