Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency now? On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
> There are several variants: > > Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on the > same frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base station and > the CPE’s are all a single frequency group - keep in mind that in the > mobile world the handsets are not CBSD’s. For our purposes each BS and > all of it’s CPE’s have to be in a single frequency group. This is also for > frequency reuse - if you use channels A, B, C on your network and reuse > them in some type of pattern you would designate all of the A’s in one SFG, > B’s in another, etc. If a SFG has to change channels they all have to > change together. > > Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match. Think > multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a common UL:DL > ratio. Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL ratio. > > Mark > > On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant. > > They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of operators > could have overlapping assignments because the operators are using some > mechanism to coexist in the channels assigned. I don't know if those made > it to the end, nor what form they've taken. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far > > Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and the same > split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t going to interfere > even if we’re relatively close. If on the other hand we are not running the > same standards in the same split then we are going to interfere with each > other even if we are very far away from each other. > > On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > > The standards and settings are irrelevant. Tx power - loss = receive power. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:55:27 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far > > How does the SASI sure there will be no interference? Since you can run so > many different standards and settings? > > > > On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big dollar > reminders to stop > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Josh, >> >> You will have interference protection through the SAS so that someone >> just can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel right next to you. >> Every AP has to get a grant from SAS before it can transmit. Also if Demand >> says 15 there is no way to tell if that is 15 individual bidders or if 4-5 >> bidders are trying to bid on 4x10mhz channels each. We will know when the >> auction is over more info but while the auction is taking place everything >> is a secret. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Well if you do licensed PTP links it seems you don't get any kind of >>> interference protection if someone else doesn't play by the rules and they >>> don't get any punishment for doing so... >>> >>> If you think CBRS will give you interference free protection I'd love to >>> know you do because I don't feel that's going to be a game changer for >>> hitting customers. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> drinking! They be purchased after the auction? >>>> Divided over 10 years, it's a manageable number for interference free >>>> spectrum. What do you pay per year in interference related truck rolls, >>>> tech time and list satisfaction? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 12:06 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Obviously the last round is public knowledge. After the auction is >>>>> over, are the results of all rounds public information? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> >>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:11:20 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>> >>>>> Correct - no way to tell who is bidding. The complete list of >>>>> bidders is public knowledge: >>>>> https://www.fcc.gov/document/auction-105-35-ghz-qualified-bidders >>>>> >>>>> Which counties those 271 bidders are bidding on is only known by the >>>>> FCC >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I assume the 14 or 15 bidders is a closely guarded secret? I can't >>>>> begin to think who would be able to pay 30k around here for that besides >>>>> Verizon/AT&T/Sprint... >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:37 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Note that the confidentiality and anti collusion rules apply for >>>>>> anyone who filed the short form. Be very careful that what you say in >>>>>> here does not violate the FCC rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> Everything discussed so far is from the public information the FCC is >>>>>> releasing or from the auction public notice. >>>>>> >>>>>> To read the results Josh posted: >>>>>> >>>>>> The price does not include discounts - 75% of the posted price if you >>>>>> qualified as being under 25M/year in revenue - so closer to 27k There >>>>>> is >>>>>> also a rural provider credit. >>>>>> >>>>>> It reads: >>>>>> >>>>>> In the initial round the price of one 10Mhz PAL was $21,000 not >>>>>> counting any discounts you may have been eligible for. There were 14 >>>>>> bids >>>>>> at that price, with only 7 lots available. >>>>>> In the second round the price of one PAL was $24,000 (less >>>>>> discounts). There were 15 bids at that price, with only 7 available. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the 5th round the price for one PAL went up to $33,000 (less >>>>>> discounts) with demand down to 10 PAL’s. The price went up for ALL 7 of >>>>>> the PAL’s. >>>>>> >>>>>> The price will keep going up until the demand is equal to 7. Once >>>>>> demand gets to 7 there is still a posted price increase - but unless >>>>>> someone adds additional demand the price will stay at the previous start >>>>>> of >>>>>> round price. >>>>>> >>>>>> The price/demand could sit at 7 for the next (insert number) of >>>>>> rounds and then start going back up if another bidder decides they are >>>>>> priced out of one county and want to move to another county. Or if they >>>>>> are just playing games. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once a county is at or above a demand for 7 PAL’s the price won’t go >>>>>> down. If you get a PAL in a round and later decide you don’t want it, >>>>>> you are stuck buying it unless someone else bids at the higher price. >>>>>> You >>>>>> can change your demand to 0, saying you don’t want it anymore, but unless >>>>>> someone else wants it you are stuck with it. Just like a normal >>>>>> auction - >>>>>> once you are the winning bidder, you own it unless someone outbids you. >>>>>> >>>>>> For bidders there are required activity levels that you have to >>>>>> meet. Essentially you have to bid 95% of your initial deposit on each >>>>>> round. If you don’t bid that what you are allowed to bid in the next >>>>>> round goes down. The rule is basically to keep bidders from >>>>>> sandbagging - >>>>>> if you haven’t been bidding and are just waiting to see what others are >>>>>> going to do you will run out of eligibility pretty quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s up to 37k per 10mhz block. Demand is going down though! lol >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:22, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No idea how to read this: >>>>>> >>>>>> <image.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:20 AM Kurt Fankhauser < >>>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is your county up to 30k per 10mhz block? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:08 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Assuming it's too late at this point to get into the initial rounds >>>>>>>> that are taking place this week? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Haven't really been keeping up with this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also lost track of the whole auction situation. Will there be >>>>>>>>> another round later? Seems like nobody bid on some of the counties >>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>> us, and I wish I'd thrown in a minimum bid at this point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2020 12:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our starting bid was relatively inexpensive over the ten year term >>>>>>>>> for our 5 counties and 4 pals each. Almost had the boss talked into >>>>>>>>> giving >>>>>>>>> it serious consideration so i could pull the trigger on the auction. >>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>> the world ended and that got back burnered. byt the time we came back >>>>>>>>> to it >>>>>>>>> there was no time to learn enough about the auction >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:54 PM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My guess is none... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Im sooo sick of the BS games the FCC and 'BIG BOYZ' Are playing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So funny how they say "Sure anyone can get a pal" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FCC should have shoved a big FU to all WISPs and just let us die. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I first saw the pricing on our county and surrounding >>>>>>>>>> countys for >>>>>>>>>> bid I knew there was no chance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let the lawsuits FLY... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2020 5:51 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > On 7/27/20 15:42, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/auction105 >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > I'm curious to see how many WISPs actually get a PAL when this >>>>>>>>>> is all >>>>>>>>>> > done. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
