We expense everything rather than depreciate - with the exception of vehicles.
> On Aug 22, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > Any WISP that has been around for 10+ years has probably expensed or > depreciated several times as much equipment as is currently active in their > network. > > Do you have to identify which expensed or depreciated equipment is still in > use and which went in the dumpster years ago? And how do they determine what > the sale price is for the purpose of seeing if it exceeds the depreciated > cost? Do they assume the entire sale price of the business was to acquire > equipment? > > Seems like you would be taxed twice, first for capital gains, then for the > expenses you used to offset revenue for tax purposes. > > I know most buyers prefer an asset sale to a stock sale, in case there are > ghosts in the closets. But would a stock sale avoid this problem? Does it > matter C Corp, S Corp or LLC? > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:51 AM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s > > One concept that was new to me in my sale was depreciation recapture. If you > fully expense or 179 expense or if your equipment is old enough to have fully > depreciated, all the depreciation expense comes back to bite you in the ass. > You will be taxed on it. > > From: Ken Hohhof > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 9:39 AM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s > > That is very dependent on whether the business is being run as “milking the > cash cow” or “reinvesting to grow the business”. Especially since section > 179 allows a lot of capital purchases to be expensed in the first year. > > I suspect many WISP owners prefer to add staff and equipment and towers and > customers, rather than declare profits and pay taxes. That doesn’t mean > their businesses are worth less to a buyer. Back when I worked for corporate > America, I remember around 1990 working for a public high tech company and at > stockholder meetings the CEO would be asked why the company at every earnings > statement would just break even or a little more. He would answer they were > in business to grow, not to pay taxes. > > I am sometimes puzzled by competitors who seem to have crappy service, are > hated by their customers, and have high churn. Then I realize they are > milking the cash cow, spending as little as possible, and probably making as > much or more profit as I am. In the case of big, crappy companies, they > probably don’t sweat the churn because there are millions more suckers out > there, you just need advertising to rope some of them in to replace the > cancellations. Like when asked about Frontier, I describe them as the slum > landlord of phone companies. > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:02 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s > > Whatever 5x your earnings are. Not sales or revenue or gross profit but > bottom line earnings on your income statement/ pl. Your taxable income. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 22, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > > What does the revenue multiplier end up being, though? > > 5x EBIDTA / revenue gets you what, in purchases that have been made? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 8:20:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s > > 5 x ebidta > Revenue multiples are of no value. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 21, 2020, at 5:30 PM, cjwstudios <cjwstud...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 1x annual revenue and hope the customers stay on > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:43 PM Matt Hoppes > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > This is the issue I’ve always had when I’ve looked at buying an ISP. It > always seems like a lot more money I would have to put out to buy then I > could just build and take the customers if something is wrong with the > current network. > > > > > On Aug 21, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: > > > > > > On 8/20/20 8:13 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > >> I think you either buy or sell, isp isnt really a flip thing > > > > > > > > > There is/was someone in my part of the country buying up ISPs and trying to > > package them all together as a flip. 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