You're misrepresenting the DE-CIX situation.
One switch crashed, which happens from time to time for everyone. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:03:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers Joining an IX is more complicated than just buying Internet service and recently we had the DECIX in New York City completely crash which took down a whole bunch of traffic. I would rather have multiple carriers than be relying on a single IX that I have no control over > On Nov 13, 2020, at 9:45 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: > > Not to disagree with the recommendation to join an IX or two or in anyway > undermine the point, but I can see why some go for larger pipes rather than > IXes. It's simpler and may be, if not cheaper, about the same cost. In any > case you are going to need the big pipes, in case the IX goes tits up. > > The benefits of joining an IX are largely non-monetary. > > Jared > > > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 > From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers > > Also, if you're exceeding the 1G level, you really need to be connecting to > an IX to offload the bulk of your traffic. If you're exceeding 10G, you need > to be connecting to multiple IXes. > > > I see ISPs all of the time thinking they need 40G and 100G connections to > Cogent and Hurricane, but their IX and PNI strategy is weaksauce. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] > > Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] > > The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: "Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org> > To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers > > > What he said prepending sucks.. use /24's if you can. Also yes time to look > for some 10Gbps interfaces. No way around it! I went from 1G to several 10G > interfaces now I'm pushing my carriers for 100G interfaces. Carriers like > Cogeco are telling me that we are the topic of discussion on a daily basis > because we are pushing them to upgrade their network faster than they > planned. If they can't keep up you'll be force into getting creative and > getting into fiber yourselves. It will only grow and is going faster and > faster. Don't worry about starlink! 25Mbps in a house in rural areas will be > not enough in 5 years. > > > > [https://www.wavedirect.net/] > [https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed] > [https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/] > [https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/] > [https://twitter.com/wavedirect1] [https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect] > STEVEN KENNEY > DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington > ON > E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 > W: www.wavedirect.net[http://www.wavedirect.net] > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:38:24 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers > > I like the curling analogy. No perfect load balancing across the Internet. > > You can advertise the supernet out of all carriers and also advertise > individual /24's out of the preferred carrier. BGP will use the longer > subnet mask first and fallback to the supernet. If you have a bunch of > non-contiguous allocations then obviously that's not an option, but if > you have something bigger than a /24 then you can do it. > > I also would note that if Connection "A" goes down, connection "B", "C", > or "D" might need to carry all the load and you may not know which way > it will come in. You can test and see what happens in a planned outage, > and tweak your settings just so, but I don't think you can guarantee > that topology upstream from you didn't change at some point between your > testing and the eventual unplanned outage. If you need 4Gb, then you > might just need two 4Gb pipes to have meaningful redundancy. Depends > what you're willing to live with. There's a saying that "slow is better > than down", but IMO the phone blows up either which way so best to avoid > either "slow" or "down" conditions. > > I'll also note that every time I've ordered a 1gig circuit they gave me > GigE optics. If you order anything bigger, even if it's 1.1Gig then > it'll be a 10Gig interface by necessity. An upgrade then is just a > phone call, whereas the upgrade from 1Gig is a scheduled outage to swap > interface cards. > > >> On 11/12/2020 7:15 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> Right. Which is not ideal. >> >>>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>> There are smarter people than me here on the topic of BGP, but I believe >>> load balancing via prepends is an inexact science. It's like the guy with >>> the broom in curling, you can influence but not dictate the outcome. >>> >>> You'd probably have better control advertising each subnet via just one of >>> the upstream providers, but then you lose the advantage of redundant feeds. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes >>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:45 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers >>> >>> I have a situation where I can buy several 1 gigabit pipes from several top >>> tier carriers relatively inexpensively. >>> Or I can buy one fat pipe from one carrier. >>> >>> Say I need 4 gigabits of bandwidth and have four 1 gigabit pipes from 4 >>> carriers running BGP, is there a best way to load balance these? 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