We are fucked in the new fcc. No more spectrum for us, it will all be sold for new projects and we will get utility regulated. We had a really good 4 years though
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:37 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > I don’t know if we’re watching a re-enactment of the Black Knight from > Monty Python and the Holy Grail (“tis but a scratch”), or Mike the Headless > Chicken https://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/mike/page/history > > > > But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how > the next administration could affect WISPs. Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a new > Chairman (woman?). Will Net Neutrality and Title II return? Does it > matter? > > > > I’d be interested in Chuck’s opinion on rumors that Deb Haaland is being > considered for Interior Secretary. BLM is part of Interior, right? > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:11 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > > > > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-officials-trump-observers-obstructing-recount > > > > More news of trumpers behaving poorly and trying to influence the > election. > > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:41 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > That's how you work your way up, but seems theyve moved on to the state > legislatures like dirty leftists > > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > CNN: Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit. > > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.html > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 7:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > You are aware that gridlock was the design specification. If all parties > cannot come to an amicable arrangement, nothing changes, as designed, keeps > the field level. > > > > It had little to do with slavery, much like the civil war. It had to do > with the experimental government that's designed to capsize and right > itself eventually. The extremes we see now were by design, brought to > equilibrium. Games suffer consequence. One president wants to push agenda > so they dont appoint judges and rock the boat, expecting the agenda to push > their party into another term. The agenda was too extreme and the party > loses so the next party appoints those judges and their own. Tips the boat > the other way. The next extremist comes along to push an agenda but cant > get a majority, so the minority has the courts to overturn that extreme > agenda. So on and so forth. > > Thank god the founders were smart enough to know democracy leads to > different flavors of enslavement and didnt choose democracy. > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 5:17 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An opinion I've seen popping up here and there is that gridlock is the > natural state of the US government. The president can veto the > legislature, the senate can override the president. The president can > issue orders to executive branch agencies, but only within the framework > created by the legislature. The court can override everybody, but the > court is appointed by the president, but only if the senate lets him. > That's without getting into procedural crap like the filibuster. > > You've got a lot of ways to shut something down, so unless you have broad > consensus on something it won't happen. It's a side effect of compromises > originally made to create a stalemate between slave holding states and > non-slave holding states. I don't think Trump accomplished any big > permanent wins. EO's and Court appointments, sure. I expect Biden to also > not accomplish much, and I expect stalemate to continue, except maybe on > specific issues that have broad appeal. Is this actually a problem, or is > it a useful feature? That's a serious question. I'm not 100% sure on > this. > > > > On 11/20/2020 2:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Something that's become painfully obvious to me is that there are a huge > number of "norms" in the way that our government works, or pretends to > work. When someone steps outside of the "norms" and starts doing what's not > explicitly spelled out, a bunch of observers comment about how that's not > normal. Maybe we should codify what we think are norms unless we somehow > think it's going to make things worse? > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 11/20/2020 11:01 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote: > > I believe that many (most?) of them do care. I think they are caught in a > system where they are forced to play their tribal roles or risk having no > impact. I think that the influence of money in the political system is one > of the factors that has led us here. > > > > That said, some of them have more integrity than others, some are driven > by the need to amass power (I consider that a character flaw), and many > (most?) voters are driven by emotion. > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > > Darin, > > And yet here we sit harassing each other while they sit up there in > Washington collecting their nice large paychecks, pocketing some lobbying > money, having the best healthcare one can get, patting each other on the > back and not really doing anything productive. > > We are at the point where people from either side are willing to destroy > their lives over their party affiliation. Do you really think any of them > up there give a shit about us? Things will never get fixed. Because if > they fix it, there will be nothing to rile up the sheep. > > > This is equivalent to the obnoxious guy at the sports bar rooting for > "his" team. When they win he'll be yelling in your face "WE, did it". > "WE", unless you ordering your 10th beer and and downing your 20th chicken > wing had a bearing on the game, "YOU" had nothing to do with it. > > These aren't OUR parties anymore. They no longer represent the people. > As long as they keep the people arguing among themselves, we won't notice > them accomplishing nothing. > > Until we re-align the US and THEM from RED and BLUE back to the people and > OUR representatives we are doomed to relive this every two years. > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com> > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Friday, November 20, 2020, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote: > > Every politician SHOULD break from their party if they feel a different > way about an issue. I don't believe in "falling in line" for everything. > > Good people think for themselves, not what their party's platform is. > > I'm fiscally a Republican but for human rights and equality, I'm a > Democrat. > > Republicans have a very hard time showing they care about anyone other > than white men. They need to stop treating women, blacks, gays, trans, > different people as anything less than. And for gosh sake, stop trying to > bring religion into Government. Have they not heard of separation of church > and state?!?! Abortion should not be a federal government issue. > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mitt Romney is apparently willing to split from his party when he feels > strongly about something. Whether that means he's a "RINO" or it means he > has personal integrity seems to be a matter of opinion. I'm trying to > think of a Democratic legislator who would break with party lines to agree > with a Republican position on something.....coming up blank. Is Romney a > Unicorn in that respect? > > On 11/20/2020 12:22 PM, Robert wrote: > > It would have been a really tough choice between Mitt and Biden for me. > Probably would have crossed to Mitt. Not that I am necessarily a democrat > but I really don't like what the republican congress has become besides > Mitt. > > On 11/20/20 9:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I don't think anyone really knows for sure what he's worth, and that's > part of how it's so easy to build different narratives about it. > He seems to have received around $400 million from his parents. About a > million from a trust fund and the rest from a variety of revenue streams > they set up for him. If he's worth $2.5 billion today, that would imply > something like 5% annual growth. That's not an epic failure, but it's > pretty modest. Except guesses about his net worth range from $700mil to > $7billion, and even he is inconsistent in what he says about it. He's > somewhere from terrible, to ok, to really good and everyone gets to fill in > the blanks with their own version. > I don't hate him, but I am embarrassed of him. Every time I hear him > speak, something unbelievable comes out. His behavior before and during > his presidency demonstrates deep moral failings. His messaging seems to be > about symbolic emotional cues without any regard to factuality (aka > bullshitting). I don't blame anybody for voting for him in 2016. When it > was Hillary Clinton against an unknown outsider, it's easy to say "let's > give this outsider a shot." I think at this point he's made it very clear > that he doesn't know what to do with his office. > I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice either, but if it comes to > the lesser of evils then Biden seems the lesser. > -Adam > > > On 11/20/2020 10:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > > Robert, > > You guys are right. He is the Jacques Clouseau of the business world. > Just fumbling and bumbling his way for the past 40 years. No one has > caught on to his secret. He is just an idiot that luckily is able to get > bigger idiots to back him. He has been cheating the IRS for years and > years. Luckily for the IRS, his tax returns will be released and all the > armchair accounts will be able to help the IRS do a proper audit. > > I understand your pure hatred of him. He is not the most likable person. > But, please he is a business man. We have no idea what his books look like > or where his loans are. He has undertaken some risky investments and deals > over the years. Some work, some don't, it is business. I guess successful > is a relative term. > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com> > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Friday, November 20, 2020, 10:00:21 AM, you wrote: > > Which would be the perfect example of the propaganda that has propped him > up for the last 40 years. Well now the chickens will come home to roost. > He has a billion dollars of loans to renegotiate ( gee guess why he wants > to be in charge of the party, access to truckloads of cash ) and the IRS to > convince that his write offs were real now that they are going to go under > public review.. Could be interesting... > > On 11/20/20 6:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > Trump was never a successful businessman, that is a myth. Mitt yes, > Donald no. > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf > Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies > *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > Darin, > > Trump was not presidential material, that is a fact. He is a businessman > not a politician. He had no idea on how government worked. He was going in > to the job with an outsiders view of politics. He crashed the Washington > wedding and they didn't like it. He brought his friends and family. The > man didn't stand a chance. The left started calling for impeachment before > he was inaugurated. Hell some of them even made a big stink that they > weren't even going to show for his inauguration being he was illegitimate. > > Frankly the right was no help at the beginning either, they didn't support > him. He surrounded himself with a bunch of outsiders that didn't know the > unwritten rules of Washington. > > The media does lean left. They were embarrassed, they told us for months > Hillary was going to be the next President. They hate Trump and Trump > hates them. Once the media figured out how to push his buttons, it was just > a big game for them. > > He was a lone wolf with no support at all. Seemed like everyone was > against him, except for the people that voted for him. > > Let's assume he was the worst president ever, one soul away from being the > devil himself. Seems like we survived. Almost 75M people voted to keep > him in office. You can dismiss that as cult or a bunch of uneducated > rednecks, but is is still 75M people. Contrary to popular belief, he did > do some good things. HBC got multi-year funding. He didn't start any new > wars. > > I was listening to a Obama doing an interview yesterday. He was talking > about the hard time he had in office with the birther stuff. He made a > very interesting comment. He said that some people didn't know him. If > they only listened to FOX news, they only knew a caricature of him. The > exact same thing can be said about Trump. > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com> > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:58:10 PM, you wrote: > > The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace to > the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He bullied, > tweeted, and lied for his entire term. > > If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all news > to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our allies, > and shared hateful conspiracy theories. > > He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do > something good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than > any other president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges. > > He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't > show love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead. > > He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to bend > the knee. > > I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. We > needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but not > in a good way. > > Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about > every American, not just their base. > > Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a shirt > that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS > > Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local Hyvee > with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's ok to > wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still > disrespectful. > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same. All of us should have > been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way this would have > ended well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden. Not > saying Biden is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may > have had not to deal with this bullshit. > > If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue with the > non-stop bashing for another four years. He would have been declared an > illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as last time > "look at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated". We would > be watching cities burn right now. > > If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp would > be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now. Do you really think > Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream media > would have been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for Trump. > They would be working overtime. Every story would be assumed true and not > debated. No winner would be declared yet. > > When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes. That > is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. About 12M more people > voted for Trump this time around. More minorities voted for Trump this > time around. > > Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing outcome? > Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing outcome? On > the plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we aren't seeing > the riots. > > This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like the > last election was never accepted by half the country. Only difference is > at least on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump bashing > day in and day out trying to scare me straight. It was getting > depressing. Everything was bad news. I swear if Trump found the cure for > cancer, it would have been spun as bad news. > > Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows. Life > in the old USA will be great. There will be no issues. Fox News will move > right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was on > Trump. Social media will be where all the Trump supports go. But they > will be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe. > > The left has the ball. All these problems that have been drilled into our > heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. They have 2 years > to convince us they can do a better job. Both the house and senate > majorities are so thin, either one can flip in two years. > > Finally, it really doesn't matter. Our daily lives will not change that > much. Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again. Maybe > some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future. Maybe > another healthcare shake up. Maybe there will be some half-assed > legislation on gun control or immigration, but no real fix. The precedent > was set in the last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to court. > > > But we'll adapt and continue moving on. We always do. > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com> > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote: > > Steve, > > > https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud > > Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you claim > is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again. > > Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting quite > heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting their > breath on these baseless claims. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard and > stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve the > judges order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts. > > https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html > except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie well > > https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/ > your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges ruled > on something that didnt happen, are you saying the judges lied? > > just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something "debunked". > Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4 years spent pushing a > russian narrative that was literally debunked and always offered without > evidence (hint, there was none). pick a single narrative and run with said > narrative, across the board. much like the elder cruelty of putting rudy > and joe in the spotlight > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > Steve, > > Cite your sources that poll watchers weren't allowed to observe. You won't > be able to because in every case so far, there have been poll watchers > inside watching the count in every precinct. > > You only saw some angry trump supporters standing outside in Detroit > trying to get in when there were already 200+ republic poll watchers > already inside. They put up cardboard because the people outside were being > distracting. > > Every court filing that has been filed so far has proven that poll > watchers were not kept out. Only "extras" that showed up were blocked > because you don't need any more inside a building than already existed. > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:12 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Oh sure. We are now using some schmoe in a stocking cap for "news"? > > Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is that we pay more > attention to clowns than they deserve. > > -- > bp > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 4:21 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com> wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE > > It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far from over. > -- > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so thats not > really much of a thing anymore > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when clearly > he’s not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia or what, but he > needs to be sitting on a porch somewhere playing checkers, not making a > fool of himself for the world to see. Of course he’s always been a little > off, look at his marriage history. I assume since he was a lawyer and > mayor he wasn’t always like this. Or maybe he was. Again, the marriage > history. > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:46 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference > > I dont know what happened to that guy. hopefully when this is said and > done we go the way of canada on electronic voting. then we put cameras > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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