Ok - you lost me. We're not talking about Windows 3.1 here. You alleged that Debian/Ubuntu was "more secure" than CentOS. That is what I disagree with.
Obviously, I don't think a Windows 3.1 system is secure. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:50 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well that is pretty funny. > My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box > and unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the > admin is the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1, > Server 2003, BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their > ability to withstand penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the > admin is all that counts. > OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less > secure. > Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a > public IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying. > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate >> statement. >> >> A system is only as secure as you make it. CentOS is perfectly secure >> when operated correctly. As is any flavor of Debian. >> >> Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they >> are doing and it's just as insecure as anything else. >> >> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I >>> would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure >>> as Debian. >>> But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than >>> Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with >>> either one of them. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 >>>> a year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production >>>> use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right >>>> >>>> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading >>>> correctly ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all >>>> opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, >>>> but no yum. >>>> >>>> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume >>>> the linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. >>>> >>>> This just stinks, I had my centos process down. >>>> >>>> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep >>>> patching and saying they mean it this time for years? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream? Kind of like RHEL beta >>>>> instead of RHEL day old bread. I guess their answer would be if you are >>>>> using it in a production environment you could always pay for RHEL. Or >>>>> there’s Fedora. I believe Preseem runs on Fedora. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? >>>>> >>>>> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way? >>>>> >>>>> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are >>>>> there major differences to it? >>>>> >>>>> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its >>>>> > tombstoned in 2021? >>>>> > >>>>> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have >>>>> my >>>>> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up. >>>>> > >>>>> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is >>>>> ended >>>>> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of >>>>> the OS? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if >>>>> that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was >>>>> because it was rebuilt RHEL. >>>>> >>>>> I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it >>>>> became >>>>> obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the >>>>> peasants >>>>> before bringing fixes into their commercial version. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > Lewis Bergman > 325-439-0533 Cell > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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