Aren’t most of the exploits for windows 3.1 so old they don’t work any more and no one would be checking for them? Ergo it’s more secure.
> On Dec 12, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ok - you lost me. We're not talking about Windows 3.1 here. > > You alleged that Debian/Ubuntu was "more secure" than CentOS. That is what I > disagree with. > > Obviously, I don't think a Windows 3.1 system is secure. > > > >> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:50 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Well that is pretty funny. >> My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box >> and unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the >> admin is the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1, >> Server 2003, BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their ability >> to withstand penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the admin is >> all that counts. >> OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less >> secure. >> Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a >> public IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying. >> >>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> "Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate >>> statement. >>> >>> A system is only as secure as you make it. CentOS is perfectly secure when >>> operated correctly. As is any flavor of Debian. >>> >>> Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are >>> doing and it's just as insecure as anything else. >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I >>>> would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure >>>> as Debian. >>>> But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than >>>> Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with >>>> either one of them. >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a >>>>> year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production >>>>> use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right >>>>> >>>>> I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly >>>>> ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all >>>>> opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, >>>>> but no yum. >>>>> >>>>> Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the >>>>> linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. >>>>> >>>>> This just stinks, I had my centos process down. >>>>> >>>>> Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep >>>>> patching and saying they mean it this time for years? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream? Kind of like RHEL beta instead >>>>>> of RHEL day old bread. I guess their answer would be if you are using >>>>>> it in a production environment you could always pay for RHEL. Or >>>>>> there’s Fedora. I believe Preseem runs on Fedora. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM >>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are >>>>>> there major differences to it? >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>> > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its >>>>>> > tombstoned in 2021? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my >>>>>> > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is >>>>>> > ended >>>>>> > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the >>>>>> > OS? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if >>>>>> that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was >>>>>> because it was rebuilt RHEL. >>>>>> >>>>>> I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became >>>>>> obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants >>>>>> before bringing fixes into their commercial version. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> Lewis Bergman >> 325-439-0533 Cell >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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