I find it highly amusing that this reply assumes the customer is the abusive 
partner, not the vendor.


Jared


> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 
> From: "Trey Scarborough" <t...@3dsc.co>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
>
> I really haven't seen these issues. I would say its more likely if you 
> don't beat them and expect them to do more than they can they will work 
> for you well. If you try to beat them in to submission they will just 
> fall over and play dead.
> 
> On 12/21/2020 10:36 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> > Reading this thread is like listening to somebody in an abusive 
> > relationship: "... if I treat him right, he won't hit me. The problem is 
> > just that I can't figure out that sets him off..."
> >   
> > You know what the solution to that problem is.
> >
> > Jared
> >   
> >   
> >
> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020
> > From: "Colin Stanners" <cstann...@gmail.com>
> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
> >
> > This last year, I've seen a MikroTik CCR1072 switch from long being 
> > rock-solid to now having occasional random reboots (from watchdog) or 100% 
> > CPU usage, which strangles the BGP process. In the latter case, 
> > tools->profile would show the firewall taking 100% of CPU, even after 
> > temporarily disabling all firewall filter and NAT rules and connection 
> > tracking. Not fun.
> >   
> > MT tech support did not seem super helpful or interested, mostly 
> > recommending to disable watchdog (unacceptable on a production router) or 
> > to upgrade firmware (without specifying the suspected cause of the problem 
> > or nature of the fix).
> >   
> > Tried 1 update, that didn't seem to help, have now tried another...
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 11:38 PM Steven Kenney 
> > <st...@wavedirect.org[mailto:st...@wavedirect.org]> wrote:
> >
> > MIkrotik has been rock solid for me for years.  Until this year and the 
> > 1072's.  Random reboots set off by watchdog timer on all of my 1072's.  
> > Some more than others.  Threads in the forum all discuss the same problem 
> > exactly.  Its a connection tracking issue.. however I need connection 
> > tracking on one particular router.  I've adjusted everything I could.  
> > Firmware and board firmware all up to date etc.  Happens randomly with low 
> > levels of traffic,  high levels of traffic,  sometimes a couple times a 
> > day,  sometimes weeks.  No DDOS evidence at all from upstream routers.  
> > Configs checked and rechecked by third party experts.  I graph everything 
> > about the Mikrotik and there are no clues or anything abnormal happening 
> > before the crash.  Plenty of memory, disk space,  CPU etc.    Replaces all 
> > the trannies, power cables and such.  Not running BGP only OSPF on the one 
> > that is giving me the most trouble.
> >   
> > Even have a serial console cable plugged into them to my opengear and set 
> > it to log pretty much everything to console including the kernel and 
> > nothing.  A hard freeze.
> >   
> > Then there is Mikrotik support...  I've never needed their support before 
> > until now.  So I put a ticket in and the shitty attitude I'm getting from 
> > them seems like they KNOW there is something wrong with the hardware and 
> > they are intentionally not being helpful.  It is pretty clear to see with 
> > all the people reporting this issue that there IS an issue.
> >   
> > If this is any indication of how things are going to go with Mikrotik on 
> > the newer hardware going forware I think its time to jump to an enterprise 
> > level system.  Juniper most likely.  Shame because they are just about 
> > keeping up with the demands with their hardware.  Getting closer to 100Gbps 
> > etc and ROS7 ... but at their current pace I think we've outgrew them.
> >   
> > All the threads discussing this issue has been absolutely quiet when it 
> > comes to Mikrotik jumping in to mention or try to help troubleshoot.  I 
> > think they know they had bad hardware out there and do not want to honor 
> > warranties.  I've heard rumors of bad batches of 1072's.
> >   
> > Anyone else encounter this?
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >
> >   
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