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On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah. Plus double > redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power. Its own substation. Plus it > has fiber from others that I did not put in. So who knows how many routes > they have out of town. And this is just the first phase of four for that > site. Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more > than about 10% of the place. > > *From:* Robert > *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security > > The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE > and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_ one side > was Canadian and the other was the NY grid. They felt confident that it > would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building > they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power. With a building full > of fuel to power it for 22 days.. This was way before the Internet. > > On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power > feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations. (plus > battery and diesel backup) Fiber routes probably similar. > > > > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via > AF > *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM > *To:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm > Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security > > > > It didn’t. One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on > 100 or 1000 datacenters. This is the rude fart of an anarchist. > > And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville... > > > > *From:* Matt Hoppes > > *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security > > > > Except it just did. > > > > On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > > > My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit. > > > > FB alone has about 100 data centers. > > > > The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables > running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal > compass points. Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB > cable and then cutting it, does not take them down. You will have to hit > all the routes. > > > > Then the buildings itself is huge. Like a square mile huge. 100% poured > reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would > get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would > just wipe out some administrative offices etc. Not even get close to where > the servers are. > > > > And then do that 100 other places at the same time? > > And then you only got FB. Google, Amazon... > > > > Never gonna happen. > > > > > > > > *From:* Matt Hoppes > > *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security > > > > Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired > again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. > > > > While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed > at multiple places down the road. > > > > Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes > place. > > > > On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME > will do it all. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force. > > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security > > > > Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers > all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back > together. > > > > Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. > > > > > On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > > > I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications > grid is. > > > > It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large > power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut > things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but > still affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. > > > > There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle > of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple > grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and > communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack. > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any > ideas - but still. > > What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some > time. > > Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and > planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a > massive tin projectile. > > How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with > explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St > Louis, Chicago and San Jose? > > Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. > > You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. 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