So, what was his deal other than mental illness? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security
"Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville Christmas bomber" https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah. Plus double redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power. Its own substation. Plus it has fiber from others that I did not put in. So who knows how many routes they have out of town. And this is just the first phase of four for that site. Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more than about 10% of the place. From: Robert Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_ one side was Canadian and the other was the NY grid. They felt confident that it would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power. With a building full of fuel to power it for 22 days.. This was way before the Internet. On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations. (plus battery and diesel backup) Fiber routes probably similar. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM To: Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security It didn’t. One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on 100 or 1000 datacenters. This is the rude fart of an anarchist. And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville... From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security Except it just did. On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit. FB alone has about 100 data centers. The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal compass points. Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB cable and then cutting it, does not take them down. You will have to hit all the routes. Then the buildings itself is huge. Like a square mile huge. 100% poured reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would just wipe out some administrative offices etc. Not even get close to where the servers are. And then do that 100 other places at the same time? And then you only got FB. Google, Amazon... Never gonna happen. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed at multiple places down the road. Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes place. On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME will do it all. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back together. Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications grid is. It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at large power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, cut things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only but still affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber lines. There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any ideas - but still. What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some time. Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a massive tin projectile. How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St Louis, Chicago and San Jose? Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. 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