Seems like max rad yagis all had that same problem, Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 21, 2021, at 12:53 AM, Craig Baird <cr...@xpressweb.com> wrote: > > > Never used the 320, so I can't say. But these are bad. I was surprised at how > quickly and easily they seized up. No need to use an angle grinder though. A > couple cranks with a wrench (attempting to loosen them) and the bolts just > snapped--wasn't even hard. > > Craig > > >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 6:34 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing? >> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I >> dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field. >> >>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird <cr...@xpressweb.com> wrote: >>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the >>> nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One >>> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware, >>> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all >>> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking >>> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed >>> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just >>> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless >>> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't >>> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time >>> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends. >>> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we >>> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like >>> manufacturers should know better. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff >>>> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a >>>> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement, >>>> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super >>>> short links. >>>> >>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like >>>> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have >>>> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more >>>> than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment. >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see how >>>>> it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on >>>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of >>>>> banks with remote drivethroughs very nearby. >>>>> >>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had >>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default >>>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash >>>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The >>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so >>>>>> it really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it >>>>>> seemed kind of buggy. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson >>>>>>> <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: >>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked >>>>>>> all that well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up >>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Carl Peterson >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM >>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the >>>>>>> GBE Plus and the AF60LR. All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup >>>>>>> of some sort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem >>>>>>> solid for short links with easy aim. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow >>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use >>>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you >>>>>>> can do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with >>>>>>> rain fade, but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at >>>>>>> 64-65ghz, it works a lot better, since you have more signal to work >>>>>>> with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson >>>>>>> <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR? They claim 12KM vs 2KM. I >>>>>>> would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. >>>>>>> Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it >>>>>>> can use the higher channels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during >>>>>>> clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a >>>>>>> ton of bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain >>>>>>> unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain >>>>>>> it’s still in the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup >>>>>>> much, but traffic drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing >>>>>>> 1.3km, much worse in heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when >>>>>>> it’s not raining, surprisingly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive >>>>>>> > never looked at performance directly. 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