I'm wondering if any of you have pointers for aligning these things. Do you just use the little arrow LEDs on the radio? I tried doing that but never could get them to all go out. When an arrow would light up, I'd move it that direction (very slowly), but I'd invariably overshoot, and the opposite arrow would come on, or in some cases, while adjusting horizontally, I'd suddenly get a vertical arrow lighting up that wasn't there before. I finally gave up and left it with a couple arrows on. It's running at full capacity, but if the signal isn't maxed out, I worry what will happen when there's a downpour. Any advice?
Craig On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'll have to look at them again, but I think the mounts are basically the > same as the solid mounts for the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't had > any problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing on any of those, > and I've used quite a few of them, but the u-bolts can certainly be a > problem... But that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with > something other than stainless. I've gotten into the habit of just > automatically replacing the nuts any time I see stainless hardware, or > greasing it, if I have to. > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing? >> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I >> dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field. >> >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird <cr...@xpressweb.com> wrote: >> >>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the >>> nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One >>> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware, >>> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all >>> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking >>> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed >>> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just >>> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless >>> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't >>> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time >>> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends. >>> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we >>> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like >>> manufacturers should know better. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff >>>> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a >>>> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement, >>>> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short >>>> links. >>>> >>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like >>>> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have >>>> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than >>>> 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see >>>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan >>>>> on >>>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of >>>>> banks >>>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby. >>>>> >>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had >>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default >>>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash >>>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The >>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it >>>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it >>>>>> seemed >>>>>> kind of buggy. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson < >>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really >>>>>>> worked all that well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up >>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson >>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the >>>>>>> GBE Plus and the AF60LR. All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> some sort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they >>>>>>> seem solid for short links with easy aim. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow >>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use >>>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain >>>>>>> fade, >>>>>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it >>>>>>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR? They claim 12KM vs 2KM. I >>>>>>> would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. >>>>>>> Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> use the higher channels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during >>>>>>> clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a >>>>>>> ton of >>>>>>> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s >>>>>>> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic >>>>>>> drops off fast when you do. 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