Changing the alignment of the stars would be my first thought. That might do it...
Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 1:12 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > I don't recall ever being able to pull off that transformation. > > I took one of those skill path seminars 15-20 years ago. Had to do with > dealing with problem employees. After 1.5 days of the seminar the bottom > line was: learn to live with it or fire them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 10:20 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; James Howard > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly? > > I thought about this. But then that's saying that people are just what > they are and can't change. > > What does it take for someone to change out of a bad cookie into a good > cookie? > > On 8/3/21 10:54 AM, James Howard wrote: > > Whether the employee was sincere or was manipulating, the behavior will > > definitely return unless you micromanage them the rest of their > > employment. Unless you love micro managing people that gets really old > in > > a hurry and then they just return to their “default” behavior. As Chuck > > said there will likely be resentment for the firing as well as > resentment > > for the micro management as long as they are there. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:58 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly? > > > > You just got manipulated. > > > > Time will tell, but I wouldn't expect things to get better. > > > > Josh Luthman > > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 9:46 AM Matt Hoppes > > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: > > > > So I ended up firing the employee at 9am Monday morning, which led > to > > a > > different direction than I thought it would. > > > > Essentially I thought there was going to be a screaming match and > > accusations about how could I do this to them, etc, what have they > > ever > > done wrong. > > > > Instead the employee broke down crying and started confiding in me > > that > > their life sucks, they can't keep relationships, and they don't know > > what to do and they need help. > > > > After about 30 minutes of talking I took compassion and offered the > > job > > back with the following stipulations: > > > > * Bad behavior has to have punishment - 2 weeks unpaid leave of job > > > > * On return, we immediately sit down and re-work job position so it's > > more of a work position vs a management position and have clear > > expectations of what may and may not be done/said as well as what > > behavior will not be tolerated. > > > > * There is a very short leash for the next few months during which > > time > > we will be having weekly meetings to review behavior and progress as > > well as if at any time I see behavior that is inconsistent with what > > needs to happen we will immediately stop whatever is going on and go > > talk about it. > > > > I still don't know if I made the proper decision. I labored over > > the > > firing all weekend making sure I was making the right decision and > not > > in haste, then made the decision Monday morning that it was a 100% > > firing there would be no other outcome -- but it seemed like there > was > > genuine repentance and remorse and desire to get their life fixed (vs > > just "crap I lost my job"). > > > > As someone who's ultimate goal for any employee is that they become a > > better person both at work and in their personal life, I felt like I > > would be doing this person a disservice if I sent them on their way > > and > > said "Go in peace, keep warm and well fed" but did nothing for their > > physical needs. > > > > > > I figure time will quickly tell of the desire to change is genuine or > > not, and as long as we have clear expectations and rules laid out > what > > harm can there be? The employee did do good work that I myself > hated > > doing, their ability to interact with others was just...... severely > > lacking. > > > > I think this may have been the "rock bottom" event some people need > in > > their life to smack them upside the face. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *Total Control Panel* > > > > > > > > Login <https://portal.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > > > To: ja...@litewire.net > > < > https://portal.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net > > > > > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > > > > > > > > /You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your > allow > > list./ > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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