Is the ptp600 product line still going?  That branch of Motorola had a 
lunch/snack buffet every week as I recall.  I was there in Devon twice and was 
in on the party.  They were originally piping hot networks.  And then 
orthogonal.  Is that product line still around?

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> On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> We are planning to start a monthly employee outing where we take a Friday 
> afternoon or something and go do an activity (bowling, nice lunch/early 
> dinner, mini golf, etc... )
> 
>> On 8/3/21 2:42 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>> I worked at this one place that used to have a feed on the last Friday of 
>> the month, till some drunk employee had a car-wreck.  So other employers in 
>> the area banned the booze.  Bringing the employees together for a free 
>> dinner develops a camaraderie and improves the cohesiveness.  I remember one 
>> party where the company brought in ZZ top to celebrate the new ceo.  I'm 
>> just saying that a lot of people do better when they feel they work with 
>> family.
>>> On 8/3/21 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Changing the alignment of the stars would be my first thought.  That might 
>>> do it...
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
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>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 1:12 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com 
>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    I don't recall ever being able to pull off that transformation.
>>> 
>>>    I took one of those skill path seminars 15-20 years ago.  Had to
>>>    do with
>>>    dealing with problem employees.  After 1.5 days of the seminar the
>>>    bottom
>>>    line was: learn to live with it or fire them.
>>> 
>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>>    From: Matt Hoppes
>>>    Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 10:20 AM
>>>    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; James Howard
>>>    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this correctly?
>>> 
>>>    I thought about this.  But then that's saying that people are just
>>>    what
>>>    they are and can't change.
>>> 
>>>    What does it take for someone to change out of a bad cookie into a
>>>    good
>>>    cookie?
>>> 
>>>>    On 8/3/21 10:54 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>>    > Whether the employee was sincere or was manipulating, the
>>>    behavior will
>>>    > definitely return unless you micromanage them the rest of their
>>>    > employment.  Unless you love micro managing people that gets
>>>    really old in
>>>    > a hurry and then they just return to their “default” behavior.     As 
>>> Chuck
>>>    > said there will likely be resentment for the firing as well as
>>>    resentment
>>>    > for the micro management as long as they are there.
>>>    >
>>>    > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>>>    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>>>    > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:58 AM
>>>    > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
>>>    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>>    > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling - Did I handle this
>>>    correctly?
>>>    >
>>>    > You just got manipulated.
>>>    >
>>>    > Time will tell, but I wouldn't expect things to get better.
>>>    >
>>>    > Josh Luthman
>>>    > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>    > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>    > 1100 Wayne St
>>>    > Suite 1337
>>>    > Troy, OH 45373
>>>    >
>>>    > On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 9:46 AM Matt Hoppes
>>>    > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>>>    <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>>>    > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>>>    <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>> wrote:
>>>    >
>>>    >     So I ended up firing the employee at 9am Monday morning,
>>>    which led to
>>>    > a
>>>    >     different direction than I thought it would.
>>>    >
>>>    >     Essentially I thought there was going to be a screaming
>>>    match and
>>>    >     accusations about how could I do this to them, etc, what
>>>    have they
>>>    > ever
>>>    >     done wrong.
>>>    >
>>>    >     Instead the employee broke down crying and started confiding
>>>    in me
>>>    > that
>>>    >     their life sucks, they can't keep relationships, and they
>>>    don't know
>>>    >     what to do and they need help.
>>>    >
>>>    >     After about 30 minutes of talking I took compassion and
>>>    offered the
>>>    > job
>>>    >     back with the following stipulations:
>>>    >
>>>    >     * Bad behavior has to have punishment - 2 weeks unpaid leave
>>>    of job
>>>    >
>>>    >     * On return, we immediately sit down and re-work job
>>>    position so it's
>>>    >     more of a work position vs a management position and have clear
>>>    >     expectations of what may and may not be done/said as well as
>>>    what
>>>    >     behavior will not be tolerated.
>>>    >
>>>    >     * There is a very short leash for the next few months during
>>>    which
>>>    > time
>>>    >     we will be having weekly meetings to review behavior and
>>>    progress as
>>>    >     well as if at any time I see behavior that is inconsistent
>>>    with what
>>>    >     needs to happen we will immediately stop whatever is going
>>>    on and go
>>>    >     talk about it.
>>>    >
>>>    >     I still don't know if I made the proper decision. I labored
>>>    over
>>>    > the
>>>    >     firing all weekend making sure I was making the right
>>>    decision and not
>>>    >     in haste, then made the decision Monday morning that it was
>>>    a 100%
>>>    >     firing there would be no other outcome -- but it seemed like
>>>    there was
>>>    >     genuine repentance and remorse and desire to get their life
>>>    fixed (vs
>>>    >     just "crap I lost my job").
>>>    >
>>>    >     As someone who's ultimate goal for any employee is that they
>>>    become a
>>>    >     better person both at work and in their personal life, I
>>>    felt like I
>>>    >     would be doing this person a disservice if I sent them on
>>>    their way
>>>    > and
>>>    >     said "Go in peace, keep warm and well fed" but did nothing
>>>    for their
>>>    >     physical needs.
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >     I figure time will quickly tell of the desire to change is
>>>    genuine or
>>>    >     not, and as long as we have clear expectations and rules
>>>    laid out what
>>>    >     harm can there be?   The employee did do good work that I
>>>    myself hated
>>>    >     doing, their ability to interact with others was just......
>>>    severely
>>>    >     lacking.
>>>    >
>>>    >     I think this may have been the "rock bottom" event some
>>>    people need in
>>>    >     their life to smack them upside the face.
>>>    >
>>>    >     Thoughts?
>>>    >
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