we let loose on a thread, til lent is called. Im not sure on the rules if it has to be called or just said. or if we have to look in the mirror and say it 3 times
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 4:02 PM MVTVWISPA <gregi...@mvtvwireless.com> wrote: > I have always appreciated being on this list and learning technical skills > from fellow ISP owners and IT Technicians. > > I really hope this conversation can get back to technical questions about > our industry. > > > > I am a very neutral person and respect everyone’s opinions but I knew from > the very first thread that this rabbit hole was going to be deep!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 3:38 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > I think it’s worth re-iterating the point that we don’t actually have more > mass shootings than other countries. ** > > > > https://www.gvpedia.org/gun-myths/europe-and-us/ > > “The average incident rate per capita for the 28 EU countries is 0.0602 > with a 95% confidence Interval of .0257 to .09477. The US rate of 0.078 is > higher than the EU rate, but the difference is not statistically different. > The average fatality rate for the 28 EU countries is 0.114, with a 95% > confidence Interval of -.0244 to .253. The US rate of 0.089 is lower than > the EU rate, but again the difference is not statistically significantly.” > > > > This is the result you get when you try to compare apples to apples. If > we’re comparing different countries and not measuring them with the same > definition of “mass shooting” and not adjusting for population differences > then we can’t paint the US as some kind of Mad Max hellscape. It’s not. > You all live here and you know this. There are lots of people in the > world. Most of them are fine, and a handful are lunatics. Law enforcement > can’t easily tell who’s a lunatic until they perform some act of lunacy. > We have background checks, but background checks don’t detect crazy until > the crazy has already happened. That’s not a problem that will be solved > by legislation. It might not be solvable at all. If there is a solution > it will be something that helps people cope with their personal > problems…..and I don’t know what that solution looks like, but I haven’t > seen anything proposed that would actually do it. > > > > I would support an assault weapons ban if it was based on something > concrete like Joules of muzzle energy or effective rate of fire (except > effective rate of fire would need a statutory definition because there’s > more than one way to measure that). In NY we banned “assault” weapons > defined as having a certain convenience and ergonomic features. The Brady > Bill did the same thing nationally when it was in effect. It’s 100% > pointless. > > > > > > > > **China claims lower rates of violence of all types. They’re out of > proportion to Europe and USA both. Either China is incredibly safe or > their numbers are wrong. > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 3:32 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > Mass shootings get all the attention, but as bad as they are, they are not > the major cause of gun-related deaths. > > According to this https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 > article by the BBC (and I would say they don't have a dog in this fight, > except maybe to gloat about how much safer it is in the UK), the majority > of gun-related deaths (54%) are from suicide (and that is illegal most > places I know). Most of the rest (42%) are some kind of homicide. The > number killed in mass shootings is a tiny , but glaring, minority. > > The number of guns per capita is pretty eye-opening at 1.2 guns per > person. Second place (in the world) is Yemen with .5 guns per person. > Interestingly, first world countries Canada, Finland, and Iceland have > about .3 per person. Most European countries don't even make the list. > > I would say that we have a culture problem, but I'll be damned to say how > to fix it. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 5/25/2022 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > Some sources call mass shootings: > > > > *Mass shootings are defined as events in which four or more people are > killed with firearms in a public place, with the murders not being > attributed to any other underlying criminal activity.* > > > > By that count there have only been 8 so far this year. > > > > > > *From:* Craig House > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 12:02 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > That’s funny I was just about to post the exact same statistics. You would > expect any statistics in the United States to be broken down equal to the > population statistics or very close. Where there are anomalies from those > statistics is probably the best place to look for answers. So maybe the > question that needs to be asked is why are Latinos less likely to > participate in mass shootings. I’m not being facetious. Is it stronger > family ties, do they have a better appreciation for what they have,? Maybe > somewhere buried in those questions are the answers that we’re all looking > for > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 25, 2022, at 12:59, Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > > > 57.8% of the US is white. So proportionally mass shooters are even more > likely to be white than the fraction of the population would suggest. > > But the same goes for blacks. 21% of the mass shooters/ 13% of the > population > > > > For Latinos, it is reversed. 18.7% of the population but only 10% of the > mass shooters. > > > > The solution is more Latinos. > > > > *From:* Chuck McCown via AF > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:39 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > 68% white Steve, 68% > > > > > https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ > > > > *From:* Steve Jones > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:30 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > ther is not such a thing as an assault weapon, so thats easy. > > You dont dictate whether people need or dont need anything, that you > opinion and its in regard to a fantasy item anyway, so pretty moot > > Instant background checks would solve a lot of issues, especially since it > can flag a restricted individual, you try to buy a gun when you arent > supposed to, you should get a quick visit from authorities to clear it out > > How would going after white supremacists stop the majority of the > shootings and mass shootings, since minorities perpetrate the majority of > those? Its always best to start with addressing the big problems first. > white supremacists, black supremacists, I dont think there are really any > other color supremacists out there. but both are the same card. best to > focus on criminals instead of idiots and emotions because CNN told you to. > > How would indicting trump have stopped yesterday or the mass shootings > under your god obama? > > > > You definitely shouldnt own firearms, I agree with you there. > > > > Seventy years ago, KKK was in full steam politicians were openly members, > racism was rampant and most every school had a boatload of firearms in the > lot and in the building. So your whole premise that this is a white problem > is just you being a racist bigot. There were little to no mass shootings or > school shootings. > > > > The moron in new york at least made it clear in his manifesto that was > pretty much plagiarized from the australian guy that this happens where it > happens because there are no guns there. he was very clear in that. Mass > shooters (gang members and the CNN image of the white kid) have one thing > in common, theyre cowards. They wont target armed areas, thats why schools > and gun free zones are what they like to hit (and the fact that the schools > abuse alot of these guys) > > > > The left fights for no guns, no borders, no consequense, no death penalty, > no accountability for things they like, and then they wonder why the > natural progression occurs. Thats why lieberalism is a mental illness. > victimology and cliche dont get the job done. never has, never will, fiddle > and watch burn > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Ban all assault weapons... > > Normal folks don't need those... > > Make purchasing guns harder and stricter background checks.. > > Go after white supremacist groups aggressively .. > > Cut the head of the snake off...indict trump > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > What would you have them do? > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun > supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit... > > Tony Gonzales for one . > > I call it as it is... > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > This has been building for decades and multiple administrations. So why > is it always the total fault of Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless > they cannot do anything but whine raise taxes? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with > assault weapons...they come here for a better life... > > You don't live near the border... > > You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist > assholes... > > I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a grandfather > of 16 school age children this hit me very hard... > > Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro > life my ass.. > > > > > > On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of firearms > we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you have > nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight > very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how that > turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be Compton USA. > Stop the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less. > > > > You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot. You > dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there > shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable. > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other > country in the world and how much less gun violence they have. > > > > Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every > gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal > background checks means no more private sales without a background check. > Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they > should. > > > > If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this > means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to > commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people > accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a > parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious. > Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. > People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell > or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their > firearm. > > > > Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns > going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other > country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics > clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works > everywhere else, it WILL work here. > > > > Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if > someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or > violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns > until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their > guns back. > > > > This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a > good guy with a gun. > > > > The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have > access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more > people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say > you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start > killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol > and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting > shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know > who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the > same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse > yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person > firefight happening in church. > > > > The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid > of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a > personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all > holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be > private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?! > > > > FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have > the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and > shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for > others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun > and I support that. > > > > The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police > officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost > tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It > may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps > before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in > preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards. > > > > Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions, > thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun > lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control > legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal > background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it. > > > > I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the > obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to > democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase > supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to > hurt the American people. They take away human rights. They lie about > science and allow their supporters to die from covid by spreading > misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting the fear of God > into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God, > indoctrination... > > > > The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't stand > up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still > spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure > election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger > generation won't tolerate all the BS. > > > > Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as long > as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like, they > are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what you > want them to do if you don't agree with their platform. > > > > On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun loving > supporters... > > Fuck his press release... > > These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week > > Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell > > > > On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the > right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun > control. > > > > Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be > passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions. > > > > Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do > nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun > nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control. > > > > Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and > shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians > and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass > shootings only happen in America. > > > > I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your > party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action! > > > > On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Figuratively inside the lines. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > ...you mean outside the lines? > > > > On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of rules > and they do want you to color inside the lines. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to do compacted > fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides > so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot sticky > apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix > on it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he > sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel > empty his machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they > just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day. > > > > An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job > where he emptied his sprayer. > > > > Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves laying down > rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with > the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year > before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT can do it > and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told me to > get off his work site or I would be arrested. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > > *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > but it's organic. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: > > “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and > concrete are environmentally friendly” > > > > Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill > > > > > > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On > Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com > <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of > governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile > road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no > single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have > road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And > if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at > mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke > parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly, > so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at > mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at > mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile. > > These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone else's, > they want their government based on their current whim. Most of their > arguments break down after a little long term logic. > > > > I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not push > too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a > fingerful of shit. > > > > On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and the > (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me. > > > > -Sean > > > > > > On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on board. I > registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet. > > …..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can relate with and some > others are absolutely insane. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as > libertarian, I don't do that anymore. > > On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren > Bobert elected lol :-/ > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian if you want a > libertarian! > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > <Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park> > > > > Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need to > go back to bed and get some rest. > > > > -Sean > > > > (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally > conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote) > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > > Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up. Everyone could use > some more grit. > > > > In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never > affect positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in the > trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to > shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down. > > > > What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he > is being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And I try to > teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they are my > employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t change I fire > them. > > > > Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They invent a noble > cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially > impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist. Look at > antifa and proud boys. > > > > Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same > reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying > to advance. > > > > *From:* Cameron Crum > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck. > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally alt-right. All > ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from substance abuse > and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving two are > always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around them > so they don’t fly off the handle about anything. > > > > …..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for me to pass > judgement. > > > > On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels > fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in Utah feel like > they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star. > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political > > > > Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy. > > > > That is how I would describe some of my kids. > > > > The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness. > > > > Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just > to be able to still see some of my kids. > > Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime > sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims > just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in > the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner. > > > > Odd times.... > > I loved my parents and grandparents. > > Never felt they had to earn it. > > Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said. > > > > Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me. Our families were > separate all while the kids were growing. > > But some of hers have done the same things to her. Using the exact same > vernacular. > > > > Must have something to do with energy drinks I think. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > Sean Heskett > > ZIRKEL > Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV > 970-871-8500 x100 - Office > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > Sean Heskett > > ZIRKEL > Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV > 970-871-8500 x100 - Office > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > Sean Heskett > > ZIRKEL > Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV > 970-871-8500 x100 - Office > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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