He used the following on everything:
   
* Colocation    
* IP Transit

* Layer 2 Transport


From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2022 9:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

Just checked our Cogent quote.  They did refer to our connection as a DIA.  
They did not use the “IP Transit” terminology on the paperwork as far I can 
tell.  Will check our HE quote.  


From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 4:03 PM
To: TJ Trout 
Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

Thanks, never really knew what to say with this stuff.  I have been calling IP 
Transit DIA forever.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:38 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

IP Transit, DIA would normally be delivered directly to a business/tower and 
include the local transport loop

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:27 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

  Make that Cogent, not HE.  

  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:24 PM
  To: TJ Trout 
  Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

  So what do you call a port in a carriers cage?  HE sells us 10G delivered to 
a port in their cage in a data center.  I understand paying for the cross 
connect to get it to another cage where our dark fiber connection starts.  So 
what is that service I am paying for called?  There is no local loop involved.  
Is that transit?

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:21 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

  DIA=Transit+Transport (local loop) 
  Transit=Full routes to the internet, usually at a DC
  Transport= Layer2 between sites

  On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:14 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

    I prefer the term backbone...  Or uplink bw service or ... 
    I always presumed DIA is just a connection to the world appearing at a port 
in a data center
    Dedicated Internet Access, right?  I wouldn’t call my connection to the 
data center a local loop.  It is dark fiber running about 60 miles.  So I call 
that element of the cost my “transit”.  Maybe someday I will learn all the 
words...

    From: TJ Trout 
    Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:05 PM
    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Cc: Chuck McCown 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

    DIA@ a data center is usually called transit, DIA would usually include a 
local loop which is most of the expense. 

    HE and Cogent are down in the $500s now, and sometimes transport can be had 
sub 2k making for a reasonably priced 10G "dia" to a rural location. 




    On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

      Ouchy, my 10 Gig DIA was $600 I think.  Transport was $1900 I think.  So 
$2500 all in.  

      From: TJ Trout 
      Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:44 AM
      To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo

      Mike; notwithstanding ASE or legacy products they only sell waves, they 
just call them EPLs lol 

      Bill; a wave is just a ptp circuit but rides directly on fiber using DWDM 
channels the "colors" but you only need grey light (1310) to talk to the waves 
(they use a converter) some carriers sell alien waves which are native dwdm all 
the way to your equipment. 

      Chuck; nothing market shattering, it's a ICB fish market depending on the 
region, the end points, sales quotas and the angle of the sun that day. 
      DIA  $1000-1700/1g, 3000-5000/10g, in a DC 10G ~$2000-2500
      10g waves $1200-$3000


      On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, 7:24 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

        Waves or Ethernet? I didn't know AT&T sold waves.




        -----
        Mike Hammett
        Intelligent Computing Solutions

        Midwest Internet Exchange

        The Brothers WISP






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        From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
        To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
        Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:16:00 AM
        Subject: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo


        Hey guys,

        We have a direct carrier agreement for our wisp, part of keeping that 
going is having new sales revenue, I primarily buy for my own network but 
occasionally I have helped friends and fellow list members. Let me know if 
anything is of interest to you when you are ready to buy! 

        Att 10/100g waves are pretty competitive (or competitive for at&t)

        MPLS (ASE) competitive in contrast to retail and you get a free 1 or 
10g aggregation port at your noc/colo (40% commit required), cool thing is you 
can order remote connections back to this port on att or any major lec/mso in 
all 50 states! similar deal available with Comcast

        DIA
        att/comcast slight discount & usually a free month

        Thank you,

        TJ Trout
        Volt Broadband
        AS62809





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