He used the following on everything:
* Colocation
* IP Transit
* Layer 2 Transport
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2022 9:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
Just checked our Cogent quote. They did refer to our connection as a DIA.
They did not use the “IP Transit” terminology on the paperwork as far I can
tell. Will check our HE quote.
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 4:03 PM
To: TJ Trout
Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
Thanks, never really knew what to say with this stuff. I have been calling IP
Transit DIA forever.
From: TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:38 PM
To: Chuck McCown
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
IP Transit, DIA would normally be delivered directly to a business/tower and
include the local transport loop
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:27 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
Make that Cogent, not HE.
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:24 PM
To: TJ Trout
Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
So what do you call a port in a carriers cage? HE sells us 10G delivered to
a port in their cage in a data center. I understand paying for the cross
connect to get it to another cage where our dark fiber connection starts. So
what is that service I am paying for called? There is no local loop involved.
Is that transit?
From: TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:21 PM
To: Chuck McCown
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
DIA=Transit+Transport (local loop)
Transit=Full routes to the internet, usually at a DC
Transport= Layer2 between sites
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:14 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
I prefer the term backbone... Or uplink bw service or ...
I always presumed DIA is just a connection to the world appearing at a port
in a data center
Dedicated Internet Access, right? I wouldn’t call my connection to the
data center a local loop. It is dark fiber running about 60 miles. So I call
that element of the cost my “transit”. Maybe someday I will learn all the
words...
From: TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
DIA@ a data center is usually called transit, DIA would usually include a
local loop which is most of the expense.
HE and Cogent are down in the $500s now, and sometimes transport can be had
sub 2k making for a reasonably priced 10G "dia" to a rural location.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Ouchy, my 10 Gig DIA was $600 I think. Transport was $1900 I think. So
$2500 all in.
From: TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
Mike; notwithstanding ASE or legacy products they only sell waves, they
just call them EPLs lol
Bill; a wave is just a ptp circuit but rides directly on fiber using DWDM
channels the "colors" but you only need grey light (1310) to talk to the waves
(they use a converter) some carriers sell alien waves which are native dwdm all
the way to your equipment.
Chuck; nothing market shattering, it's a ICB fish market depending on the
region, the end points, sales quotas and the angle of the sun that day.
DIA $1000-1700/1g, 3000-5000/10g, in a DC 10G ~$2000-2500
10g waves $1200-$3000
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, 7:24 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
Waves or Ethernet? I didn't know AT&T sold waves.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:16:00 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: Att/Comcast wholesale transport - 10g 0mrc promo
Hey guys,
We have a direct carrier agreement for our wisp, part of keeping that
going is having new sales revenue, I primarily buy for my own network but
occasionally I have helped friends and fellow list members. Let me know if
anything is of interest to you when you are ready to buy!
Att 10/100g waves are pretty competitive (or competitive for at&t)
MPLS (ASE) competitive in contrast to retail and you get a free 1 or
10g aggregation port at your noc/colo (40% commit required), cool thing is you
can order remote connections back to this port on att or any major lec/mso in
all 50 states! similar deal available with Comcast
DIA
att/comcast slight discount & usually a free month
Thank you,
TJ Trout
Volt Broadband
AS62809
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