There are real immigration issues and they are messy. I am not defending anyone, but I don't see that Biden or Obama have much to do with my point.
The Trump administration took kids from their parents with no records that would allow them to be reunited: https://www.npr.org/2022/08/11/1116917364/how-the-trump-white-house-misled-the-world-about-its-family-separation-policy I think we may be able to agree that it is nearly impossible to prove what Trump knew about anything, but this was a marquee issue for him. So perhaps he is not evil - he just didn't know (or care) what he was enabling. I guess that is a more favorable way to look at it. P.S. I know you will hate that I am sourcing from NPR, but I am too lazy to look up the federal court cases (where the evidence was laid out under oath). If you doubt this actually happened *and* it will change your mind, I will dig out references to at least one of them. On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > This is the part I have trouble with: “with no intention of ever allowing > them to be reunited “ > If that was true then that is evil. > > I just have a hard time that ever happened like that. They were separated > yes. That there was an intention of a permanent separation? No. > > Who wanted to make the separation permanent? And why? > > The Biden administration just separated a bunch of kids, flew them to > upstate NW last week. Those kids are separated from their parents. They > are farmed out to shelters and homes across a tri state area. Sounds like > what you are describing to me... > > So evil if Trump does it but not evil if Biden does it? > > This also goes for chain link fenced compounds for “visitors”. > > Obama OK, Trump not OK, Biden OK. ??? > > Kids treated like dogs, oh my!!! But only when republicans are in the > white house. And only on liberal news media. > > > *From:* Chuck Macenski > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2022 10:52 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political > > If separating children from their parents (albeit at the border) with no > intention of ever allowing them to be reunited isn't evil, I may not > understand the word's meaning. > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:57 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> Yes, indeed, look at the vaccination rates between the right and left. >> >> 69% of our nation is now fully vaxxed two shots or more and 80% have >> received at least one shot. >> >> So if you figure 100% of liberals are vaxed accounting for 50% of those >> vaxxed, that leaves the 30% of the total for the conservatives which would >> be 60% of the conservatives. And that means all libs were vaxed. Libs not >> vaxed add to that 60% number. In polls separating blues and red vax rates >> there was only 10% difference between them. So probably 65-70% of >> conservatives have received at least one shot. That is not a large >> percentage of anti vax to me. This is old, from one year ago: >> [image: image] >> >> I do believe there is a concerted effort by fringe elements to introduce >> subjects to elementary students that have no place in public schools. >> Especially that fringe group that is attracted to children. To even talk >> about things like that plant ideas in the heads of kids. So yes, a long >> play grooming effort would be an apt moniker for such attempts. They are >> rare but they are happening. One of my daughters teaches jr high science. >> She is forced to help kids that want to transition and she is prevented >> from telling parents by the school district. >> >> In any event, fringe is what 5th std deviation? 4th? 3rd? Anti vaxers >> are probably second deviation. So, yeah, not really fringe but in a >> minority. I don’t get them at all. They are all about latent side effects >> that eventually will kill and the experimental nature of the vaccine. Hey, >> all vaccines are experimental and have side effects. Wonder what they say >> when an MRNA compound created by a computer cures their cancer someday... >> I have a good friend, anti vax to the max, he has long covid and is about >> dead from it. Has had it for most of the year. Still and anti vaxxer and >> denying he actually has covid. >> >> I don’t consider Trump evil, just blinded by his own megalomania and >> stupid enough to enjoy the attention of sycophants. He seems incapable of >> critical thinking. But hey, he is a TV personality, a showman, PT Barnum. >> Who knows what he really thinks. He plays for the ratings. >> >> He did do some good things. None of which will ever get play on MSNBC or >> Huffpo. >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Darin Steffl >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2022 9:04 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >> >> Chuck, >> >> The craziest conspiracy theories are probably believed by a small number >> of people, sure. But larger conspiracies like the covid vaccine will kill >> you is believed by a much larger percentage of Republicans. Just look at >> vaccine rates between the right and left. Many also believe rumors that all >> kids are being groomed in schools, there's litter boxes for kids that >> identify as a furry, that schools are teaching kids how to be gay, and >> more. I've talked to enough anti-vaxxers that they're not the fringe >> anymore. >> >> I live in rural MN and there's some people that have "fu*k Biden" flags >> or "trump won" flags up. A farmer also painted some hay bales that say >> trump won or "keep your guns, rights, and God". People flying an American >> flag with a trump flag right underneath. What they can't see is how >> un-American that is. I can't wait for the day that he passes away and these >> people see how much of an evil person he is. >> >> I would say that at least a majority of people who still support trump >> are as low as the sewer trash I'm seeing interviewed. Normally good people >> have been indoctrinated into the cult when you actually see them talk about >> trump. >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 8:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Very few trump supporters can ce characterized as below. You are >>> sampling the sewage concentrate distilled down be the left. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2022, at 12:48 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Rory, >>> >>> How can anyone say trump loves this country? He hates or is indifferent >>> to most everyone in it. He's a narcissist that ONLY cares about himself. He >>> doesn't care about you, me, or anyone that disagrees with him. >>> >>> He's tossed aside and stuck his mob of cult followers on anyone who >>> disobeys him, including people who work for him in office and during >>> campaigns. One mistake and he tells everyone you're worthless or against >>> him, then the targets of his hate start receiving death threats from his >>> followers. He's the least loyal person in office. >>> >>> The people still going to his rallies are mindless sheep. I've watched >>> dozens of interviews and the conspiracies people share are insane. JFK Jr >>> is still alive, Biden is really Obama with a mask on, 5G is mind control, >>> microchips in vaccines, etc. Their IQ levels are lower than low. Anyone >>> with a brain sees through trump's lies. I hope his supporters snap out of >>> the hypnosis soon. >>> >>> You're not supposed to worship politicians. I voted for Biden because >>> he's a decent human being but I don't make him my entire personality like >>> trumpers do. I have no merchandise, I don't think he was sent by God, I >>> don't praise him or think he's perfect, I disagree with some things like a >>> normal person should. >>> >>> 2024 better offer us some better choices than Biden/Trump. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 12:26 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> But you can’t say he doesn’t love this country and did some great >>>> things for it 😊. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2022 8:31 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Zero loyalty is a primary feature of Trump. He would toss his mother >>>> under the bus. I have heard AOC say some anti demo stuff. Not much. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> the way that the trump cult vilifies any other position in the >>>> _republican_ party is what sets them apart. Does AOC vilify Biden? >>>> >>>> On 10/10/22 9:25 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: >>>> >>>> The hypocrites on the right LOVE Elon Musk because they think he'll >>>> reinstate Trump if he buys Twitter but they also HATE EV's with a passion. >>>> There's plenty of misinformation out there. I have driven a Tesla as my >>>> daily for 4 years. I had the Model 3 first and now I have the refreshed >>>> 2022 Model S and love both. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you ever want to laugh and cry at some people that have the lowest >>>> IQs in America and who are attending Trump rallies, search "Jordan Klepper >>>> trump" on youtube and watch some clips here. It's sad to see how "poorly >>>> educated" some are. Anyone still supporting him today is part of the cult. >>>> You can be Republican but not support Trump but anyone else is far gone off >>>> the deep end. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 11:07 AM Carl Peterson < >>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> My thoughts, and they really are just thoughts on why there is a large >>>> anti-EV contingent on the right: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - A lot of hot button "culture war" issues are really being pushed by >>>> groups with an economic interest in an issue. In this case it is fossil >>>> fuel energy which is a trillion dollar industry. The world is moving >>>> towards EVs a whole lot faster than a lot in the industry expected. It >>>> isn't surprising that wrenches are thrown into the works whenever >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Most current EVs are expensive. Money and liberals are more >>>> concentrated in urban areas. It is easy to believe FUD, funded by above, >>>> when it is targeted at a group that is different form you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 8:32 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well the original description was “what is important to be taught at >>>> school”. In that context, the chart made no sense at all. >>>> >>>> If 78% of liberal democrats believe too little time is spent on racial >>>> issues in school then that does make sense. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2022 4:45 PM >>>> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < >>>> af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I left out an important detail, that graphic was the “too little” >>>> response. >>>> >>>> Full article can be found in today’s Deseret News. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2022 1:00 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>> >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Political >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The question was as follows: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> “Do you think schools today spend too much, the right amount or too >>>> little time teaching about the following topics:” >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don’t consider that an ultra inflammatory question. >>>> >>>> The source is as follows: >>>> >>>> The American Family Survey 2022. It conducted online to a match sample >>>> on gender, race, age and education Aug. 8-15, 2022. The sample size is >>>> 3,000 and the overall margin of error is +- 1.9%. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There is an ultra liberal college up near Olympia Wa. Evergreen State >>>> College. They actually have a faction that teaches that you cannot trust >>>> science because it teaches concepts that are counter to postmodernism. The >>>> extreme left has embraced a fiction that does not stand up to scientific >>>> scrutiny. So the extreme left and the extreme right both don’t trust >>>> science, but for different reasons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So an ultra liberal might also say, we reject the science of statistics >>>> and samples and surveys because they just make up imaginary numbers... >>>> right [image: image001.png]‘' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In other words, if you don’t believe the results of a survey (or an >>>> election, which really is also a survey) you just reject it out of hand, >>>> don’t believe it, it is flawed... ??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2022 11:57 AM >>>> >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>> >>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown' >>>> >>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] OT Political >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interesting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would think nearly 99% of people would think “Math” and “Science” >>>> should be taught in school, so there must be some kind of relative ranking >>>> to come up with those percentages. I don’t believe for a minute that only >>>> a bare majority of any political party thinks science is important. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’d also guess there was some colorful to the phrasing of the survey >>>> questions. If they asked “Should students be taught to respect people of >>>> all races” the percentages would be high across the board. You’d have to >>>> phrase it in some inflammatory way to get that spread. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway it’s cute, but I have questions about the methodology used to >>>> come up with those numbers. I wonder if the methodology is “let’s make up >>>> an imaginary number”. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2022 12:03 PM >>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Political >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Been too quiet around here. Thought I would try to ignite another >>>> brushfire. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This graphic explains America and what is wrong with it. >>>> >>>> Asked of all Americans what is important to be taught at school. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: image002.png] >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Darin Steffl >>>> >>>> Minnesota WiFi >>>> >>>> www.mnwifi.com >>>> >>>> 507-634-WiFi >>>> >>>> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> This email was scanned by Bitdefender >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> [image: image001.png] >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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