I'm planning on getting an acoustic water line locating system, not today,
cause I'm still a startup whose poor, but hopefully sometime in 2023.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 1:13 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Well right, so then the utility should locate up to the first building. I
> don't care if there's a valve under the sidewalk, that doesn't matter much.
>
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2022 1:06:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
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> the chicago utility code is deferred to on that, it muddies it by saying
> that homeowners arent directly responsible to be in the database solely by
> owning a property that contains underground utilities. it doesnt clarify
> though the responsibility and liability. Its good the because otherwise
> theyd be assessed a 100 dollar fine per day per utility thats not in the
> JULIE database like a utility owner.
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:56 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Around here, water and sewer waive any liability for anything other than
>> their mains.
>>
>> Somehow the residence is supposed to know how to locate their service
>> lines, be notified by 811, etc.
>>
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>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Monday, November 28, 2022 10:47:04 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
>>
>> If it wasn't marked, I would push it to the water utility.  If the
>> customer paid it already I'd question why they fixed it themselves instead
>> of the water company.
>>
>> If it was marked and you hit it, you fucked up.  Like TJ said - pay now
>> or pay later.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 7:27 PM Steve Jones <st...@togservice.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a situation where a resident had toget the repair done and
>>> already paid the bill.
>>> I'd  have negotiated with the plumber, maybe had luck, maybe not.
>>> I could argue about the lack of paint, but then the consumer gets
>>> screwed.
>>> Its 2800 and a water bill. Dont know how bad that will be but it filled
>>> a ditch apparently.
>>> Could have been worse because the resident could have had them come on
>>> Thanksgiving instead of friday.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022, 3:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Generally I have video proof that they were not marked.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Fabien
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 2:40 PM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Hartford claims
>>>>
>>>> We have Hartford but do not have any smallish claims like that to know
>>>> what their response would be. I would be more concerned about making
>>>> any claim as a brand new company / policyholder. What's the $ of the
>>>> damage in question. My general policy is for a damage that we were
>>>> really at fault, under maybe $3000ish I would just pay it. Same for a
>>>> damaged piece of equipment etc. Anything over $5k I would probably
>>>> make a claim. When we have had an at-fault claim, I have had success
>>>> in negotiating with the utility. Local power/gas co will knock off 25%
>>>> for prompt payment and asking nicely. Some utilities really inflate
>>>> the repair costs and others are very reasonable. If it's an inflated
>>>> bill I would have a discussion about that. We do get damage bills all
>>>> the time for telco cables that were mismarked and we hit and were not
>>>> at fault, those I tell them once we were not at fault and here is why
>>>> and then ignore them. Eventually they give up and stop bothering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Any of you fine gents use the Hartford for general liability?
>>>> >
>>>> > Is there some method to talk to an agent with these guys without
>>>> filing a
>>>> > claim? Calling just circles me to claims agents, and they wont tell
>>>> me
>>>> > anything.
>>>> > Im just trying to find out what the impact of a small claim is with
>>>> these
>>>> > guys and whether its best to just pay out of pocket if the liability
>>>> does
>>>> > fall on me.
>>>> > I dont want to save a couple grand out of pocket to have my rates
>>>> > skyrocket or coverage cancelled since its a new account, but then
>>>> again, I
>>>> > pay for more coverage than I need for what I do so its kind of a
>>>> waste to
>>>> > not use it.
>>>> >
>>>> > If any of you guys have filed a claim with them, how smooth is the
>>>> > process?
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