Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We have a bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a 12" Leica one or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” > conduit. I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a > HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are > also sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" > (23mm x 456mm). > > Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 > flushable sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod? > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty >> large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or >> larger. They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon. >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am >> going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. >> https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 >> >> Steve, >> I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the >> regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz >> which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> theres septic sondes you can use for rodding >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson < >>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end >>>> of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >>>> Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>> >>>>> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >>>>> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>>>>> locators. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl, >>>>>> >>>>>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. >>>>>> As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the >>>>>> drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech >>>>>> says >>>>>> it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other >>>>>> utilities). >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>>>>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF < >>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing >>>>>>>>> on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. >>>>>>>>> Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a >>>>>>>>> ground >>>>>>>>> rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them >>>>>>>>> will do a >>>>>>>>> good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super >>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>> ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a >>>>>>>>> reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used >>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>> I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 >>>>>>>>> degrees and >>>>>>>>> then finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> the center null to the side null is the depth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just >>>>>>>>> means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my >>>>>>>>> experience I >>>>>>>>> am generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> them will do that distance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of >>>>>>>>> them locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>>>>>>>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure >>>>>>>>> gas. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to >>>>>>>>> track but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive >>>>>>>>> coupling between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much >>>>>>>>> current flows so you do not get much distance. For example a fish >>>>>>>>> tape >>>>>>>>> down a plastic duct is located this way. But you will only get >>>>>>>>> dozens or >>>>>>>>> perhaps hundreds of feed if you are lucky. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in >>>>>>>>> the audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those >>>>>>>>> frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. >>>>>>>>> Higher >>>>>>>>> frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not >>>>>>>>> transmit as >>>>>>>>> far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick >>>>>>>>> up the signal. Rycom is one of those. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new >>>>>>>>> Ridgid SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator >>>>>>>>> either good >>>>>>>>> or bad or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, >>>>>>>>>> LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP >>>>>>>>>> domain. SPX25 >>>>>>>>>> is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 >>>>>>>>>> utility >>>>>>>>>> locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty >>>>>>>>>> pinpoint. But >>>>>>>>>> if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a >>>>>>>>>> smaller >>>>>>>>>> ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will >>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>> everything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The >>>>>>>>>>> only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need to be too high end. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking at getting one of these: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of >>>>>>>>>>>>> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >>>>>>>>>>>>> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> they're always >>>>>>>>>>>>> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We >>>>>>>>>>>>> have an >>>>>>>>>>>>> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model >>>>>>>>>>>>> out, that's >>>>>>>>>>>>> cheaper than the AT-3500 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) >>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>> traceable fiber (Clamp) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Carl Peterson >>>> >>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>> >>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>> >>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>> >>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
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