it was a test.  Only the ones addressed to you went through.  The others tested, bounced.  Your address is different somehow.  You mentioned your gmail is a paid-for account, the others that bounced were the free-gmail type accounts one gets by logging into google.  The emails were sent from mail.com and from my own business accounts.  The business ones went through and the mail.com ones bounced except for the one sent to you.  I picked 4 gmail addresses and sent them out,  all of the ones sent from the mail.com got bounced except yours.  What makes you so special?

On 3/10/23 09:14, Steve Jones wrote:
i got your spam emails this morning


On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
    *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

     All mail.com <http://mail.com> users cannot send you email.  How
    many other's are blocked as well?  Oblivion, must be sweet.

    On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote:

        Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since
        2012. Virtually no issues at all aside from a handful of short
        outages over the last 11 years.

        It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to
        contact them for support. We also use Google drive and their
        version of office apps in the cloud. We don't store any files
        locally at all. All business docs are at Google and they're
        safe there and they handle the backups.

        I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own
        server. It's not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr
        roughly when looking at net profit so spending even one hour a
        year trying to manage or fix my own email server would cost me
        more than what I pay Google.

        We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for
        gsuite and I pay to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so
        we pay less than $60 a year to Google for everything. Dirt
        cheap and great peace mind.

        This is relating to our internal business use. For customer
        email, we never offered it and never will. Just recommend a
        free Gmail account and go live your best life not having to
        support email.

        On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones
        <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

            O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well,
            we just dealt with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I
            dont scan to a flatbed because the Edsel was before my
            time :-)

            On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF
            <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

                I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email
                addresses it serves for employees and other business
                email addresses.  It is free that way and we don’t
                have to worry about anything else.  But for some
                reason the server hangs and needs to get rebooted,
                usually about the same time each day.

                Google got difficult, especially for email chains and
                other things so we stopped using them some time ago. 
                For example, our scanner stopped being able to send
                emails due to something gmail did.

                *From:*Steve Jones

                *Sent:*Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM

                *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

                How much is your time worth. The free internal server
                is costing you this. We are still using rackspace for
                subscriber mail and our office emails since its same
                domain and a pita to set up split routing for the
                mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who
                have dropped service but wanted to keep their email,
                we actually make a tidy profit to cover any
                administrative stuff.

                for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per
                user. The way I look at it is if im not making 6 bucks
                per guy a month I have bigger problems than my email.
                Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email
                servers would have been a blast. but now its like
                maintaining a battery powered inverter just so i can
                still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its
                not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste
                of time.

                dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of
                any resources unless your monetizing it. too large an
                attack vector

                On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF
                <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

                    It is only for our own company email.  No
                    customers on it.

                    *From:*Tyson Burris

                    *Sent:*Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM

                    *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

                    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

                    Surgemail is exactly what I used. Seemed to be a
                    good product.

                    *Tyson Burris, President**
                    **Internet Communications Inc.**
                    **739 Commerce Dr.**
                    **Franklin, IN 46131**
                    ***
                    *Office #**317-738-0320 *
                    *Cell/Direct #**317-412-1540 *
                    *Online: www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net>*

                    ICI

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                    *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
                    *Steven Kenney via AF
                    *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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                    *Cc:* Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

                    Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a
                    raspberry pi! Not free though. Extremely granular
                    configuration options.

                    On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett
                    <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

                        We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At
                        its peak we had thousandth of accounts on it,
                        but now just a handful.

                        Not free.  And they went to per user licensing
                        so it’s not cost effective for hosting
                        anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.

                        Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

                        
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                        *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf
                        of Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
                        *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
                        *To:* af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com>
                        *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
                        *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers

                        We are having trouble with mailcow. Anything
                        better out there.  It hangs all the time these
                        days.

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