Delete messages? Are you one of those weirdos with a tidy email box? On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 3:34 PM Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
> I'm here for the help I get from WISP guys and to give help if I can. I > couldn't care less about your or anyone that opposes your views political > opinion. If I want that I will go to social media. If you cant be civil > to those that disagree with you your no better than the hate you espouse > the other side is full of. I dont need to come here for that > divisiveness. If all I'm doing is deleting messages then I dont see the > point in being here to search through the garbage for valuable insights. > Please know when to stop (usually after 4-5 others ask you nicely to) > > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Jan-GAMs" <j.vank...@grnacres.net> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 2:37:42 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. > Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it > as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up > news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone > watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known > factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until > Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present > as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust > any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness > Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts > and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds > since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news may > never recover. > On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: > > Evan and others, > > You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are > doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote > their way. > > Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google > search with reputable sources. > > It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the > conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think > you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? > > I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican > party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be > kind and empathetic. > > Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm > worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be > against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, > Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell > your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. > Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? > > Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I > didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full > support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people > on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour > and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. > > Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession > unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should > hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right > thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every > profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that > think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the > full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. > > The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the > people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote > republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than > the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. > > There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of > human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. > They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than > the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't > shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad > things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. > > Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts > and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or > you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you > think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and > just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with. > > On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > >> What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c >> theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting >> for control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda >> tools to manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because >> they aren't really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage >> the political resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. >> Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems >> made noise about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do >> anything about it. And Bidens announcements about tax the rich are >> posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side >> is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with promises of easier ways >> to wealth and fear mongering, Left is about keeping the worker bees hoping >> for better care and fear mongering... >> >> On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> nail on the head >> >> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. >>> >>> Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> >>> *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>> >>> So Mike, >>> >>> You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? >>> >>> The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use >>> violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and >>> more. >>> >>> I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than >>> the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so >>> don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the >>> Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the >>> woodwork after trump was elected. >>> >>> I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights >>> and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single >>> issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who >>> protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my >>> choice. >>> >>> I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden >>> wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or >>> Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the >>> next 3 elections. >>> >>> Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress >>> being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election >>> was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his >>> supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now >>> there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. >>> >>> Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and >>> city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches >>> real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and >>> racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered >>> America first lol. >>> >>> And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that >>> they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. >>> They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school >>> because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you >>> aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. >>> >>> And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on >>> everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to >>> "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church >>> where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a >>> pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen >>> being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been >>> charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the >>> rug. >>> >>> The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting >>> away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you >>> sick republican men! >>> >>> Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who >>> proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that >>> they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those >>> different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering >>> to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They >>> scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. >>> >>> While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never >>> get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will >>> completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every >>> election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win >>> state and local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red >>> voters who continue to vote against themselves. >>> >>> >>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>, "Darin >>>> Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>> >>>> Why are we going down this road again? >>>> >>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF < >>>> af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM >>>> *To:* Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>; AnimalFarm Microwave >>>> Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>> >>>> Karl Marx >>>> Lenin >>>> Stalin >>>> Putin >>>> >>>> Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump >>>> Even Castro >>>> Kim Jong Un >>>> >>>> Seriously you thing the far left are better? >>>> >>>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>> >>>> The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. >>>> >>>> I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one >>>> side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the >>>> extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far >>>> right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay >>>> people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and >>>> video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying >>>> the same things. >>>> >>>> I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people >>>> they disagree with. >>>> >>>> So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in >>>> less violent and extreme. >>>> >>>> I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the >>>> extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people >>>> they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. >>>> Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking >>>> care of people. >>>> >>>> While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their >>>> silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. >>>> >>>> At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I >>>> don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've >>>> contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. >>>> >>>> I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are >>>> spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume >>>> they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. >>>> >>>> The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being >>>> elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political >>>> events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if >>>> Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding >>>> still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was >>>> elected. It's very sad. >>>> >>>> People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this >>>> point. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ouchie! >>>> You called me the C word... >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Robert >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM >>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>> >>>> exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good >>>> cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few >>>> extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including >>>> other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. >>>> >>>> On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>>> >>>> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. >>>> >>>> “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about >>>> Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only >>>> listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are >>>> only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats >>>> are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and >>>> assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the >>>> average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” >>>> >>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>> >>>> There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and >>>> authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>> >>>> To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right >>>> doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little >>>> empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all >>>> people in the information it provides. >>>> >>>> Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. >>>> I care about all people, even if I don't like them. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ >>>> >>>> >>>> I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing >>>> configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and >>>> just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers >>>> or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does >>>> have a massive left leaning political bias. >>>> >>>> But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the >>>> internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames >>>> stuff. >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> would you like to play a game >>>> >>>> Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to >>>> play? >>>> [image: Steve Jones] >>>> global thermo nuclear warfare >>>> >>>> I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare >>>> with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept >>>> popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not >>>> appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be >>>> potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in >>>> the past. 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