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On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 12:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > I archive my emails once a year into a folder named for the year. > Has been invaluable hundreds of times. I almost never delete a real > email. > > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Sunday, March 26, 2023 9:34 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > Delete messages? Are you one of those weirdos with a tidy email box? > > On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 3:34 PM Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: > >> I'm here for the help I get from WISP guys and to give help if I can. I >> couldn't care less about your or anyone that opposes your views political >> opinion. If I want that I will go to social media. If you cant be civil >> to those that disagree with you your no better than the hate you espouse >> the other side is full of. I dont need to come here for that >> divisiveness. If all I'm doing is deleting messages then I dont see the >> point in being here to search through the garbage for valuable insights. >> Please know when to stop (usually after 4-5 others ask you nicely to) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Jan-GAMs" <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 2:37:42 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> >> Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. >> Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it >> as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up >> news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone >> watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known >> factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until >> Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present >> as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust >> any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness >> Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts >> and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds >> since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news may >> never recover. >> On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: >> >> Evan and others, >> >> You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are >> doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote >> their way. >> >> Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google >> search with reputable sources. >> >> It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the >> conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think >> you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? >> >> I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican >> party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be >> kind and empathetic. >> >> Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm >> worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be >> against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, >> Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell >> your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. >> Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? >> >> Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I >> didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full >> support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people >> on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour >> and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. >> >> Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession >> unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should >> hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right >> thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every >> profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that >> think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the >> full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. >> >> The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the >> people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote >> republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than >> the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. >> >> There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of >> human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. >> They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than >> the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't >> shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad >> things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. >> >> Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts >> and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or >> you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you >> think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and >> just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with. >> >> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >> >>> What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c >>> theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting >>> for control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda >>> tools to manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because >>> they aren't really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage >>> the political resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. >>> Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems >>> made noise about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do >>> anything about it. And Bidens announcements about tax the rich are >>> posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side >>> is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with promises of easier ways >>> to wealth and fear mongering, Left is about keeping the worker bees hoping >>> for better care and fear mongering... >>> >>> On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> nail on the head >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. >>>> >>>> Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> >>>> *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>> >>>> So Mike, >>>> >>>> You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? >>>> >>>> The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use >>>> violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and >>>> more. >>>> >>>> I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than >>>> the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so >>>> don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the >>>> Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the >>>> woodwork after trump was elected. >>>> >>>> I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights >>>> and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single >>>> issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who >>>> protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my >>>> choice. >>>> >>>> I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden >>>> wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or >>>> Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the >>>> next 3 elections. >>>> >>>> Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress >>>> being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election >>>> was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his >>>> supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now >>>> there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. >>>> >>>> Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and >>>> city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches >>>> real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and >>>> racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered >>>> America first lol. >>>> >>>> And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries >>>> that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for >>>> example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in >>>> school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like >>>> you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. >>>> >>>> And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs >>>> on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to >>>> "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church >>>> where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a >>>> pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen >>>> being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been >>>> charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the >>>> rug. >>>> >>>> The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting >>>> away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you >>>> sick republican men! >>>> >>>> Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who >>>> proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that >>>> they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those >>>> different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering >>>> to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They >>>> scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with >>>> them. >>>> >>>> While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never >>>> get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will >>>> completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every >>>> election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win >>>> state and local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red >>>> voters who continue to vote against themselves. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>, "Darin >>>>> Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>>> >>>>> Why are we going down this road again? >>>>> >>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM >>>>> *To:* Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>; AnimalFarm Microwave >>>>> Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>>> >>>>> Karl Marx >>>>> Lenin >>>>> Stalin >>>>> Putin >>>>> >>>>> Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump >>>>> Even Castro >>>>> Kim Jong Un >>>>> >>>>> Seriously you thing the far left are better? >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>>> >>>>> The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. >>>>> >>>>> I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one >>>>> side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the >>>>> extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far >>>>> right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay >>>>> people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and >>>>> video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals >>>>> saying >>>>> the same things. >>>>> >>>>> I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people >>>>> they disagree with. >>>>> >>>>> So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in >>>>> less violent and extreme. >>>>> >>>>> I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the >>>>> extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people >>>>> they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. >>>>> Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking >>>>> care of people. >>>>> >>>>> While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their >>>>> silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. >>>>> >>>>> At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. >>>>> I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've >>>>> contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. >>>>> >>>>> I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are >>>>> spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume >>>>> they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. >>>>> >>>>> The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being >>>>> elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political >>>>> events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if >>>>> Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be >>>>> hiding >>>>> still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was >>>>> elected. It's very sad. >>>>> >>>>> People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this >>>>> point. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ouchie! >>>>> You called me the C word... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Robert >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM >>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>>> >>>>> exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a >>>>> good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a >>>>> few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now >>>>> including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back >>>>> it up. >>>>> >>>>> On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. >>>>> >>>>> “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about >>>>> Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only >>>>> listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are >>>>> only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats >>>>> are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans >>>>> and >>>>> assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the >>>>> average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>>> >>>>> There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and >>>>> authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>>> >>>>> To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right >>>>> doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little >>>>> empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all >>>>> people in the information it provides. >>>>> >>>>> Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally >>>>> conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing >>>>> configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and >>>>> just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill >>>>> engineers >>>>> or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does >>>>> have a massive left leaning political bias. >>>>> >>>>> But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the >>>>> internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some >>>>> wargames >>>>> stuff. >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> would you like to play a game >>>>> >>>>> Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like >>>>> to play? >>>>> [image: Steve Jones] >>>>> global thermo nuclear warfare >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare >>>>> with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept >>>>> popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not >>>>> appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could >>>>> be >>>>> potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons >>>>> in >>>>> the past. 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