The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty.
Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad.
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*From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
*To: *"Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
*Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
So Mike,
You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response?
The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use
violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people,
liberals, and more.
I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than
the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even
real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who
stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came
out of the woodwork after trump was elected.
I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human
rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm
not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote
for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats.
Moderate ones are my choice.
I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden
wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy
Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president
sometime in the next 3 elections.
Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress
being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020
election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money,
stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in
some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the
old ones who won't retire.
Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and
city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that
teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about
slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that
white man discovered America first lol.
And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries
that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads
for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers
anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid
gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's
actually a choice ha.
And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs
on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens
to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse,
church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually
assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case
of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church
people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged
because it's swept under the rug.
The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting
away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women
you sick republican men!
Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And
who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face
that they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of
those different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear
mongering to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their
channel. They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on
something" with them.
While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never
get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will
completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose
every election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll
only win state and local elections in rural areas where there's a
bunch of red voters who continue to vote against themselves.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose.
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*From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>, "Darin
Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
*Sent: *Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
Why are we going down this road again?
Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown via
AF <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM
*To:* Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>; AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
Karl Marx
Lenin
Stalin
Putin
Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump
Even Castro
Kim Jong Un
Seriously you thing the far left are better?
*From:* Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
The extreme left is still better than the extreme right.
I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one
side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that
over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than
them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence
and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can
find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for
sick things but very few liberals saying the same things.
I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of
people they disagree with.
So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other,
as in less violent and extreme.
I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the
extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill
people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie,
steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to
empathy and taking care of people.
While an average republican might not agree with the far right,
their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs.
At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I
do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example.
And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions.
I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are
spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I
assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence.
The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald
being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the
worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer
and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and
violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them
permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad.
People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at
this point.
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Ouchie!
You called me the C word...
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing
as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to
be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole
they treat everyone ( now including other races )
reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up.
On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids
yesterday.
“Republicans are wrong about Democratsand Democrats are
wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what
we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most
extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only
listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all
Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to
the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are
like that. When the difference between the average
Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.”
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian
left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the
most attention.
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*From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity.
The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than
them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI
is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the
information it provides.
Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally
conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't
like them.
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/
I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of
chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine
replacement that actually answers questions, and just
general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It
wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the
building if you were curious. It does have a massive
left leaning political bias.
But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt
connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I
hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff.
...
would you like to play a game
Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game
would you like to play?
Steve Jones
global thermo nuclear warfare
I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global
thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real
game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by
the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not
appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear
weapons as it could be potentially harmful and
insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in
the past. Is there another game you would like to play
instead?''
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