Greed is good capitalist is the only way handouts should work. On Sat, Jul 6, 2024, 12:34 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
> Maybe student loan availability should be based on ROI calculations. If > you want to borrow to get a liberal arts degree with little chance of being > a high earner, you are very limited on the amount and the interest rate is > high. Ditto pell grants etc. Useless degrees (speaking only from the > greed is good strictly - capitalist perspective ) could be had but not at > taxpayer expense. Kinda like getting a line of credit for your business. > You gotta prove a path for repayment or you ain’t gonna git it. > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Saturday, July 6, 2024 11:16 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy Holidays > > > Seems a tad dystopian. Wasn’t there a TV show or movie where at a certain > age people were assigned a role in life, whether that’s what they want or > not? > > > > Or I guess they could use the Sorting Hat from Harry Potter. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com > *Sent:* Saturday, July 6, 2024 11:35 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy Holidays > > > > I have two British grandsons. They are tested at 15 to determine whether > they take a vocational track or an academic track for college. Seems to > work out pretty well for them. > > > > Best Regards, > Chuck McCown > > McCown Technology Corporation > 8401 N Commerce Dr > Lake Point, Utah 84074 > 801-250-9503 Office > 435-830-4306 Cell > www.mccowntech.com > www.microtrench.pro > www.terabitnetworks.com > > > > *From:* Chuck McCown > > *Sent:* Saturday, July 6, 2024 9:53 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Happy Holidays > > > > Only for BS degrees. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jul 5, 2024, at 5:24 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I think im one of the only conservatives that is pro free higher > education. More as an investment than as an expense > > > > remove all liberal arts, STEM, not STEAM only (you want an art history > degree, you can pay for it), 1:1 community service requirement per > classroom instruction hour, manual labor or degree related community > service only, 90% mandatory score, 95% mandatory attendance, 100 percent > drug and alcohol abstinence during the school year, tested biweekly. Zero > criminal tolerance. You pay on the loan until youve completed the mandatory > community service and repay all deferments from that time period. Then each > year you maintain full time employment, 10 percent is waived for 10 years. > but that would actually require something, so of course it would be too > unfair. > > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:52 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > I feel that it's time for college to go through a major revision. > > > > First, I lean quite strongly toward the Mike Rowe worldview in that we > need to quit telling our kids that they need a college education to make it > in this world. Right now if you're in one of the blue collar trades you're > far better off than a lot of the people who have ms or bs degrees. There > will always be a demand for plumbers, electricians, mechanics, and so on. > > > > On the college side, we need to adjust what we teach to provide for a > condensed program where you cut out most (but not all) of the non-relevant > programs. Yes, it's hard to learn certain trades without college, but a > degree in computer science shouldn't need a lot of the liberal arts classes. > > > > Finally, we need to reform the student loan program so that we quit > graduating students with degrees in underwater basketweaving with 6 figure > loan balances. Right now, lenders are able to loan to anyone without risk > and as such there is no incentive for lenders or schools to ensure that the > students will be able to repay their loans from a typical job in the > student's chosen degree program. This has led to ballooning tuition and > overall school costs since there is no pressure to keep costs low. > > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, 10:36 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > > With the risk of starting something, I thought I would inject some > observations: > > > > I do watch Charley Kirk on YouTube for a quick fix of watching him > dissolve some of the woke ideology being spouted by young college kids. > For me it is like junk food for my worldview. Can only take so much of it, > like eating too many sweets. And he can get a bit too alt-right for me at > times. > > > > Yesterday he was preaching something that I think he was partially, > perhaps mostly wrong about. He is a college dropout and preaches that > college is a scam and you would be better off just learning to code and > find an internship that does not require a degree. > > > > I think he is only partially right. > > By and large, most BA programs are probably not worth the money unless > they go onto grad school. A BA in art history doesn’t have much value when > searching Indeed for a job. It can however get you into law school. > > > > And we all know that if you start and successfully run a WISP you > absolutely must be an autodidact. An autodidact with ambition. Cannot > pick up either of those at a college. And do not need college to be a > superior ISP or WISP. It does however take a special type of person. > > > > But there are a couple of areas where I know, from personal experience, > that you really benefit from formal education: > > > > 1) Computer Science – the part where you learn hardware theory, > operating system design, compiler design, advanced data structures, OO > methods etc. Really hard to pick up this stuff by watching youtube > videos. And really hard to get any good at it unless you are forced to do > homework and labs. Understanding what happens with the hardware, the stack > and OS during a hardware interrupt is important and not so easy to learn on > your own. Try to write some DSP functions from scratch on your own... or > perhaps some machine code to hand optimize a MCU routine. Much easier if > you had a class on assembly. > > > > 2) RF and antennas. Reflection coefficients and the mastery of Smith > charts. EM simulation software and optimization. S11 and PCB stripline > and microstrip layout. Etc etc. Again, a good autodidact can teach > themselves anything. But I tried for years to master Smith charts and it > was not until college that I finally got to where I could use them. > Now-a-days the software does it all for you but you still need to know. > > > > 3) To understand some of this stuff, like DSP etc, you also need some > upper level math, calculus and trig. Hard to do on your own. > > > > I also imagine that if you want to get into medical school, classes on > chemistry, biology etc are essential. All PE programs will always need > degreed engineers. So yeah Charley, if you get a liberal arts degree, I > would tend to agree with you that your fathers money was probably wasted. > But many of the BS degrees are not a scam or waste. > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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