> The customer wants to be able to do that themselves before calling in.

WHAT???  My customers want me to snap my fingers and fix it as soon I pick
up the phone.  They don't want to be bothered with going home to make sure
the power is on after a storm.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 20, 2014 6:46 PM, "Sterling Jacobson via Af" <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Yeah, I agree.
>
>
>
> We have the PoE with a green light.
>
>
>
> I want to build that into the App, so it shows or walks through a series
> of steps like check the adapter that looks like THIS for a green light.
> Check GFI tripped, check cables connected in proper order to PoE and router
> etc.
>
>
>
> The customer wants to be able to do that themselves before calling in.
>
>
>
> I think that would eliminate a lot of the calls and customers can do
> things on their own time.
>
>
>
> I guess the App could also help them schedule a paid visit if it
> determines the ISP service is working, but they can’t figure out their
> stuff.
>
>
>
> I would almost like to have it refer them to a list of local
> computer/network shops instead.
>
> Or those ISPs that want to make money off that kind of visit could
> schedule themselves.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:53 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> I feel you’re overthinking this, at the risk of adding more stuff to fail
> or for the customer to bitch about.
>
>
>
> We use the Tycon POEs with current indicator, we tell the customer the
> light should be green.  That covers a lot of calls – cables unplugged or
> chewed or POE not getting AC power.
>
>
>
> If the customer thinks their Internet is down, and they have a customer
> supplied router, we tell them to power cycle the router, this is the most
> common issue.
>
>
>
> If the customer is 100% WiFi, we try to make sure they have a spare
> Ethernet cable on a LAN port of the router.  Most laptops have an Ethernet
> port, we tell them to take their laptop over to the router, plug it in, and
> if they have Internet then they have a WiFi problem.
>
>
>
> Once these 3 steps are done, or if they are complaining about speed, I
> think Travis is right, you’re better off having them call.  If nothing
> else, this may be an upsell opportunity, if they talk to a human.  Or you
> may get to explain a few things about P2P or video streaming or botnets to
> them.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:28 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> Lol!
>
>
>
> I imagine in the App a line with points on it that connect from both ends.
>
>
>
> Kind of like the Xbox line test.
>
>
>
> Where it shows green lights on the provider service, the unit on the side
> of the house, then the router inside their house, and then their device.
>
>
>
> It might break in the middle, so the phone could show that it sees their
> wifi, but on 4G it talks to the ISP and shows green dots up to their CPE,
> then a red dot for their router.
>
>
>
> It’s not complicated programming on the ISP side.
>
>
>
> It could even tell you if the customers router IP was registered in the
> ARP table, or if just the physical connection is made and no MAC or IP etc.
>
>
>
> I think most of us have a service table for the customer record that has
> the CPE IP address.
>
>
>
> Maybe it would need another table in the customer relation to the router,
> or maybe it’s implicit in the IP address or Gateway IP etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:22 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> For VoIP we bridge the ATA ahead of the router.  I love it when someone
> calls on the VoIP phone to tell us “the tower is down”.
>
>
>
> *From:* Shayne Lebrun via Af <[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:56 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> What we need to do is get people to view the ‘internet light’ like the
> ‘check engine’ light on their car.  It could mean ‘your gas cap is loose’
> or it could mean ‘your driveshaft just fell out of your car’ but if you
> want to know, it’s going to cost $250 just for somebody to open the hood
> and plug in the diagnostic checker.
>
>
>
> Wouldn’t that be nice…..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:53 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> As determined by DHCP adds a horrible layer of complexity for a cheap and
> simple device.
>
> How about ping to 8.8.8.8?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af <[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:41 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> Red/green light for successful DNS and ping to a server determined by DHCP
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown via Af <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> What would be the determining factor?  Ping DNS server OK?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie via Af <[email protected]>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:03 AM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> A red/green led would probably suffice for this purpose.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini via Af <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>    We need a “device” that plugs between router and internet connection
> with a big screed that says Internet OK! Or Internef BAD… filter out calls
> with customer having issues with wifi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> *Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> *Date: *Thursday, November 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM
> *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
>
>
>
> *An app for my phone?  Yuck
>
> *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues?
> Yuck
>
> *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is
> good/not?  That'd be great!
>
> *Web portal for billing, easy peasy
>
>
>
> Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases
> it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables,
> ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course.
>
>
>
> I use/suggest an outgoing message.  IF the customer is having issues and
> they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up.  This means
> that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting
> ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they
> had nothing to do with an outage.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's.
>
> I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when
> their network is having issues and why.
> I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy
> way to do that.
>
> I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes
> fail and why.
>
> So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone
> and I can take action.
> One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the
> ETA to fix etc.
>
> Emails from Cacti don't count.
>
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