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Oil? What is oil?
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:49 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
For our future, and totally ignoring the short-term repercussions,one of the
best things I think that could happen is that the price of oil to go to like
$250/barrel and stay there.
We really need to spend the money as a country on moving to whatever's next.
There are a lot of viable options which should have costs lower than oil.
Unfortunately at $50/barrel the R&D and infrastructure buildout costs look
silly to spend. (Why spend billions moving to something that costs basically
the same as what we have, with an infrastructure already in place). At the
$100/barrel pricing things were finally starting to move in the right
direction. At even higher, all of a sudden the political and financial
motivation is there to make what should be happening happen.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:59 AM, David Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
Its a ploy to slow production of more energy efficient vehicles.
On 1/14/2015 5:30 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
There's an old, insightful joke about "what is the best price to sell
barrels of oil for", which states that it's something like "$100, $100, $100,
$100, $20, $20, $100, $100, $100....."
At $100 everyone is eager to turn up production and do things like
hydraulic fracturing. At $20, there's a lot of hurt in those same industries.
There is a lot of political and economic force in the ability to effectively
increase and decrease the rarity of a commodity, and as a side effect, it's
price, with a turn of a valve. With additional US sources coming online, and
OPEC deciding not to cut production, there's now a glut in the market. The
question is ... at what level is this sustainable stateside? I haven't seen a
good analysis of the impact of these lower crude prices on domestic production
and more importantly our willingness to invest in growth of our production
capabilities.
Personally, I have mixed feelings. I like the price of gas when I get to
the pump, but I also sell into the oil industry, which I sure hope continues to
drill wells, since it's very good for my bottom line.
-forrest
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Caleb Knauer <cknauer.li...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yep. Shuts down the oil sands (for a bit), slaps Russia/Venezuela in
the face, cranks down on the mid-tier producers like Nigeria trying to
squeeze into the market, etc. It's multiple birds with one stone. US
oil production will drop, oil sands bubble will pop, and all sorts of
gloom and doom until prices naturally go back up and we spin up
production again. The oil guys will take a hammering and I feel bad
for them, but all bubbles burst. A lot of Americans will have a net
benefit. Macroeconomics is complex.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> From what I've read the drop is pretty much exclusively because of OPEC.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think a lot of the low prices are due to abundance of oil right here
in
>> the US from Fracking and Tar sands from Canada. I bet eventually when
the
>> additional pipeline capacity is completed it may drive things even
lower,
>> but that is just my thought.
>>
>> It would be nice if they could do the same with grain.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM, That One Guy
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont know how petroleum stores, the costs of operating, etc. But I
look
>>> at it as right now being a great time to get in on it, when the
rubber band
>>> snaps, you would already be at peak production capacity, without the
export
>>> and shipping to get it to its destination, in North America at least.
This
>>> is an artificially deflated market, it cant be sustained since it is
>>> inherently and artificially inflated market.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The investment has already been made to build the wells. I know it
>>>> would suck, but why not shut them down until the price goes up
again, then
>>>> just resume production? Even under new ownership? Doesn't sound
like a
>>>> permanent problem to me...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Bill Prince
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:23 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>>>>
>>>> It's Saudi Arabia trying to squeeze out all the marginal producers.
>>>> Initially it will be Russia and some of the other marginals like
Iraq &
>>>> Iran.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty sure the shale oil and tar sands guys are hurting big time
right
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/13/2015 8:03 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what is really driving the price down. Fracking, OPEC
>>>> diaspora, CAFE improvements, Russia problems ???
>>>>
>>>> From: Jeremy
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:54 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gas Prices
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Obama! (he gets blamed for EVERYTHING, right??)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Josh Luthman
>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Same up here in Ohio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 13, 2015 10:35 AM, "joseph marsh" <bwireless...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.75 here in my area
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2015 9:35 AM, "Vlad Sedov" <v...@atlasok.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $1.50 to $1.55 in oklahoma city.. crazy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vlad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/13/2015 9:32 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never thought I would see gas prices this low. We have
stations at
>>>>>>>> $1.71/gallon in our area right now. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Travis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the
>>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if
you can't
>>> get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a
>>> hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>>
>
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