My landlords had no problem with radios on the building.  I've done it for
neighbors, too.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:26 PM, John Woodfield <[email protected]>
wrote:

> It seems that OTARD was intended more to deal with HOA BS than tenant
> rights. Thankfully I have never had to deal with it. Thankfully I never
> intend to become a rental tenant again. As far as the WISP is concerned, I
> would think this would be a matter to turn over to whoever underwrites
> their liability insurance and let them argue with the landlord about what
> constitutes damage.
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:16pm
> To: "af" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
>
>  Don't get me wrong, if I was the landlord I certainly wouldn't consider
> it a huge damage problem... I might even consider it an improvement, but
> I'm not the landlord.
>
> In my opinion, it's the tenants responsibility anyway, since we're only
> doing what they hired us to do... but it's still a fight I'd want to try to
> avoid.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>   Most owners of residential rental property worry more about the tenant
>> using it as a meth lab or grow house or “party house”.
>>
>> You folks must live in a very upscale neighborhood if a J-pipe foot on
>> the roof and a nicely caulked up 1/4 inch hole in the siding is a huge
>> damage problem requiring that roofers and siding contractors be called to
>> install all new stuff.
>>
>> Maybe this is why rental areas of Kansas City got passed over as Google
>> Fiber fiberhoods.  Ooooooh, we need to drill a hole in the wall.  Oh, the
>> humanity!
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:55 PM
>> *To:* af <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
>>
>>  I'm pretty any changes you make to someone else's property could be
>> considered damage unless it's normal wear and tear. The fact is, it's going
>> to cost the landlord money if he wants it put back to the original
>> condition, it might not be reasonable in most people opinion to put it back
>> to the original condition, but I see no reason he wouldn't have the right
>> it... who is responsible is another matter, but I don't think you can
>> really argue there was no damage.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>  As I said, I think we differ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Travis Johnson" <[email protected]>
>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:37:38 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
>>>
>>> Installing a J-mount (drilling holes in a roof) and cable penetration
>>> (drilling a hole in the side of the house) is DEFINITELY damage to the
>>> property. Any warranty on the roof becomes null and void unless a certified
>>> roofer does the work and certifies the install. Drilling a hole through the
>>> siding and house is also damage.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/17/2015 11:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> I think we differ on what constitutes damage.
>>>
>>> Installing a J-mount and a cable penetration, no.
>>> Not sealing the above properly and water or critters intrude upon the
>>> structure, yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Travis Johnson" mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:26:21 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
>>>
>>> Tenants do not have the right to damage my property, regardless of their
>>> rights and due process.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>> On 3/17/2015 11:19 AM, John Woodfield wrote:
>>>
>>> Many landlords with that attitude end up criminally charged. There is
>>> such a thing as tenant rights and due process.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  It sounds right to me.  He owns the land and property.  Owner is king
>>> of his castle.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Mar 17, 2015 1:13 PM, "John Woodfield" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm calling BS on this.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On Mar 17, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > You still have to work it out with the actual owner, regardless of
>>>> what the tenant told you or even signed.
>>>> >
>>>> > Travis
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 3/17/2015 10:16 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>>> >>> On 3/17/15 9:11, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>> >>> I would talk to the tenant and try and resolve things, but the ISP
>>>> is
>>>> >>> who did the actual damage to the property, without permission. Yes,
>>>> they
>>>> >>> "assumed" they had permission, but without a signed contract from
>>>> the
>>>> >>> legal owner of the property, the ISP does not have permission to
>>>> cause
>>>> >>> damage to the property.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What do you do if your tenants misrepresent themselves as the owner
>>>> with authority?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ~Seth
>>>> >
>>>
>>>
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