A little off topic, but pole related: Can poles be put in the ROW for use primarily as small towers?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Yep, minimum of $2/pole per year. Probably more like $12 to $20. > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:30 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country > > Do those fees go to the owner of the pole? Not that theres really > probably a market for other stuff in these areas, I assume if we put them > in we are also on the hook for pole repairs when our drunks smash into them? > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> Co-ops are exempt from a bunch of regulatory things. I don’t think >> things have changed there. >> But if they let anyone on, they have to let everyone on I think. I never >> had a problem with a co-op letting me on a pole. >> >> *From:* Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:16 PM >> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >> >> Sort of related maybe - does anyone know if electric co-ops are still >> exempt from FCC pole attachment rules? >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If you put in poles in the ROW, they are there for anyone else to use as >>> well I assume? >>> If you were putting it down for long stretches like this, rural, where >>> homesare 1/4 mile to 3 miles apart, would you put a hndhole in in front >>> just in case? half the homes are 1/8 to 1/4 mile up a lane so it would >>> still have a cost down the road to pick them up >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, you can put in poles. >>>> No, I don’t put handholes anywhere I don’t need to. That normally >>>> means splice cases. If you can see a place where you may want to branch >>>> off in the future, yes put in a handhole and some slack. >>>> >>>> No, farmers do not do JULIE. So you hit their irrigation lines or >>>> their water or sewer, you fix it. >>>> >>>> If you ruin a farmer’s crop, normally you pay for that too. I don’t >>>> think ROWs give you surface rights. You can still farm the land. And >>>> whoever is under you has to compensate you for losses. >>>> >>>> Costs depend on installation technology. Plowed, assuming you own the >>>> plow, you can be in the $2/foot range. >>>> Bored you will be in the $20/foot range. >>>> Rock will be more. >>>> >>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:47 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>> >>>> If there are no poles, does ROW give privilege to put them in? I >>>> assume that would get costly. >>>> >>>> Im probably wrong here, but I dont like poles of the wood kind, our >>>> drunks in our rural areas are masters at taking out more than one per DUI, >>>> we have champion drunks here. And I dee them snapped alot in the winter >>>> time. >>>> >>>> I wouldnt consider anything direct buried. >>>> >>>> >>>> Would you put handholes in at intersections where you would be making a >>>> turn? >>>> >>>> Do farmers do JULIE (thats our locating program in this area) before >>>> they tile? I assume not since they take ROW to farm, a little each year (we >>>> had a project go through a couple years ago where a farmer has a few miles >>>> of corn about 10 feet wide dug out for being in the ROW, I loved it, >>>> cheating tax subsidized prick) >>>> >>>> >>>> On average, for plowed or trenched duct, permitting costs aside, what >>>> is the cost per mile to run fiber (duct and fiber I assume are the only >>>> infrastructure costs exclusing the treminations and hardware on each end) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson < >>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How do Comcast and Centurylink get that privilege then? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:20 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nope >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:11 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, does this mean we can get on the city/plat developers list and >>>>> put conduit in open trench and see/approve developer ROW plans? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:06 AM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ye’all have rights for ROWs now. Was in the latest report and order >>>>> from the FCC. If you are a BIAS provider (which you all are) you are >>>>> considered a “public utility” for the purpose of obtain ROW access. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:19 AM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The original rule of thumb was something to do with what size stick >>>>> you can use to beat your wife/kids without breaking the law. 144 strand >>>>> loose tube is about the size of a thumb, so in some jurisdictions you >>>>> might >>>>> have been able to discipline your family with it. Say hi to your thumb >>>>> for >>>>> me. >>>>> >>>>> Aerial is cheaper if you have pole attachment rights. You don't need >>>>> pole attachment rights (or any special rights) to bury in a ROW, but you >>>>> can point at it when some guvmint goon questions you. It looks kind of >>>>> official. >>>>> >>>>> On 6/30/2015 12:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Say you want to run fiber for 10 miles. >>>>> >>>>> Aside from the boring equipment and permits what does that entail? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know there are 36 bazillion answers, but humor me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Details like how often you need handholes and how to deal with >>>>> slacking for cut fiber splicing would be very helpful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is a rule of thumb in your long term planning on how often you >>>>> can expect a fiber cut. (an example of rule of thumb is I expect a storm >>>>> related issue at least once every three years at every site, there is no >>>>> actual science, or math, I just look at my thumb and it provides me sage >>>>> answers) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Harold Bledsoe >> > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your > team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
