Interesting... so in theory, we can go and stick towers in ROW now? I assume there must be restrictions on what sort of poles/tower can be put in?
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I have put towers in the ROW for use a towers, so I would presume yes. > > *From:* Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 01, 2015 8:30 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country > > A little off topic, but pole related: > > Can poles be put in the ROW for use primarily as small towers? > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> Yep, minimum of $2/pole per year. Probably more like $12 to $20. >> >> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:30 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >> >> Do those fees go to the owner of the pole? Not that theres really >> probably a market for other stuff in these areas, I assume if we put them >> in we are also on the hook for pole repairs when our drunks smash into them? >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> Co-ops are exempt from a bunch of regulatory things. I don’t think >>> things have changed there. >>> But if they let anyone on, they have to let everyone on I think. I >>> never had a problem with a co-op letting me on a pole. >>> >>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:16 PM >>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>> >>> Sort of related maybe - does anyone know if electric co-ops are still >>> exempt from FCC pole attachment rules? >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If you put in poles in the ROW, they are there for anyone else to use >>>> as well I assume? >>>> If you were putting it down for long stretches like this, rural, where >>>> homesare 1/4 mile to 3 miles apart, would you put a hndhole in in front >>>> just in case? half the homes are 1/8 to 1/4 mile up a lane so it would >>>> still have a cost down the road to pick them up >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, you can put in poles. >>>>> No, I don’t put handholes anywhere I don’t need to. That normally >>>>> means splice cases. If you can see a place where you may want to branch >>>>> off in the future, yes put in a handhole and some slack. >>>>> >>>>> No, farmers do not do JULIE. So you hit their irrigation lines or >>>>> their water or sewer, you fix it. >>>>> >>>>> If you ruin a farmer’s crop, normally you pay for that too. I don’t >>>>> think ROWs give you surface rights. You can still farm the land. And >>>>> whoever is under you has to compensate you for losses. >>>>> >>>>> Costs depend on installation technology. Plowed, assuming you own the >>>>> plow, you can be in the $2/foot range. >>>>> Bored you will be in the $20/foot range. >>>>> Rock will be more. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:47 AM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>> >>>>> If there are no poles, does ROW give privilege to put them in? I >>>>> assume that would get costly. >>>>> >>>>> Im probably wrong here, but I dont like poles of the wood kind, our >>>>> drunks in our rural areas are masters at taking out more than one per DUI, >>>>> we have champion drunks here. And I dee them snapped alot in the winter >>>>> time. >>>>> >>>>> I wouldnt consider anything direct buried. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would you put handholes in at intersections where you would be making >>>>> a turn? >>>>> >>>>> Do farmers do JULIE (thats our locating program in this area) before >>>>> they tile? I assume not since they take ROW to farm, a little each year >>>>> (we >>>>> had a project go through a couple years ago where a farmer has a few miles >>>>> of corn about 10 feet wide dug out for being in the ROW, I loved it, >>>>> cheating tax subsidized prick) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On average, for plowed or trenched duct, permitting costs aside, what >>>>> is the cost per mile to run fiber (duct and fiber I assume are the only >>>>> infrastructure costs exclusing the treminations and hardware on each end) >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson < >>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How do Comcast and Centurylink get that privilege then? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:20 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nope >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:11 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, does this mean we can get on the city/plat developers list and >>>>>> put conduit in open trench and see/approve developer ROW plans? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:06 AM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ye’all have rights for ROWs now. Was in the latest report and order >>>>>> from the FCC. If you are a BIAS provider (which you all are) you are >>>>>> considered a “public utility” for the purpose of obtain ROW access. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:19 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber in the country >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The original rule of thumb was something to do with what size stick >>>>>> you can use to beat your wife/kids without breaking the law. 144 strand >>>>>> loose tube is about the size of a thumb, so in some jurisdictions you >>>>>> might >>>>>> have been able to discipline your family with it. Say hi to your thumb >>>>>> for >>>>>> me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aerial is cheaper if you have pole attachment rights. You don't need >>>>>> pole attachment rights (or any special rights) to bury in a ROW, but you >>>>>> can point at it when some guvmint goon questions you. It looks kind of >>>>>> official. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/30/2015 12:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Say you want to run fiber for 10 miles. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aside from the boring equipment and permits what does that entail? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I know there are 36 bazillion answers, but humor me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Details like how often you need handholes and how to deal with >>>>>> slacking for cut fiber splicing would be very helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What is a rule of thumb in your long term planning on how often you >>>>>> can expect a fiber cut. (an example of rule of thumb is I expect a storm >>>>>> related issue at least once every three years at every site, there is no >>>>>> actual science, or math, I just look at my thumb and it provides me sage >>>>>> answers) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Harold Bledsoe >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > >
