I know you wouldn't consider it, and I'm perfectly ok with that, and I'm really not trying to be a dick, but our minimum is $49.95. It's that research thing I was talking about...
On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Brett A Mansfield < li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > I think that is where the disconnect is. My business is by no means a > "hobby wisp", but it's not a career wisp either. I have no intention to > grow much larger than I am right now, and I have no intention of shutting > it down. > > I do this for a few reasons. > 1) I enjoy it immensely > 2) it is VERY profitable even at my very low prices, so it supplements my > income and supports my real hobby of guns. > 3) If it ever came down to it I can turn it into a career, at which point > is change my model and start growing. At that time I would really consider > going with Platylus or Powercode. > > For me, right now, spending another $125/mo is just not an option unless > it gives me some real benefit. There is nothing on the market that charges > less for only billing and CRM, at least not that would work for an WISP. > That is the niche where there is a need that needs to be filled. That is > what I want to fix, nothing else. It is very much a niche that very, very > few WISPs would fit into. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > > On Dec 9, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > > Brett, > > You need to decide if you're a hobby WISP or a growing, career WISP. If > you have less than 100 customers, then by all means continue doing what > you're doing but I'd say at the 100 mark, you're ready to start with a > billing platform mentioned on the list so you can grow faster. > > Start adding more customers so you can afford the solution. Even at a $250 > monthly minimum, it should only take 5-7 customers to recoup that amount so > it's not alot. Sonar only has a $125 monthly minimum. It is also not $125 > plus customer count, it is only that the monthly amount is no less than > $125 or 100 customers total. > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield < > li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > >> It makes perfect sense to not pay a minimum monthly fee for software that >> so sold. If you're managing it all of the time then yes, that makes sense >> to pay monthly. My issue isn't with paying for a product or with a monthly >> cost. My issue is with charging a per sub AND a minimum monthly cost. My >> per sub doesn't ever come close to the minimum monthly cost for pretty much >> anyone. >> >> I did say it's break even, I didn't say it's a business. It's break even >> IF I'm the only one to use it. It will be profitable if anyone uses it, >> though the profit will be low. I'm not doing this to start a business. I'm >> doing this so that people with fewer than 100 customers have an easy to >> deploy, and easy and cheap to use option. That is it. I never said that >> those of you with larger solutions are doing anything wrong or that you >> have poor products. I don't agree with that model, but if I had 300+ >> customers I could completely see a use case for those products like >> powercode, wispmon, platypus, etc. But for me and most WISPs with fewer >> than 100 customers, those solutions make zero sense. >> >> Thank you, >> Brett A Mansfield >> >> On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >> Because if you're making software that you sell and manage a one time fee >> doesn't work. >> >> You're wanting to make a product that breaks even. That simply makes no >> business case. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Dec 9, 2015 4:44 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The research I did was very extensive. Wispmon in particular has their >>> pricing right on their website (which I love by the way. I wish everyone >>> would). >>> >>> You say that billing is the most important part of my business. I >>> respectfully disagree. It is actually one of the least important. The >>> product I'm selling is by far the most important, and the customer service >>> is next. Billing only happens after the first two are met. >>> >>> You mentioned several other things: >>> >>> *"I'm curious to what other systems you have in place that handle things >>> like mapping, monitoring, FCC reporting, sales tracking, prospect >>> qualification, inventory management, ip management, work orders, trouble >>> tickets, scheduling, provisioning, automated suspension and payments, >>> reporting, and more in addition to billing?"* >>> >>> With the small size of my company this is all very easily managed with >>> simple (and free) spreadsheets. So this argument is irrelevant to me. When >>> I get to a size where it is no longer easily managed, then and only then >>> will I start to pay for a service that can provide that (it will not be >>> until then that my business can afford to pay for it). >>> >>> You then offer advice to pay for this stuff from the beginning. Not >>> everyone is going to model their business in the way you think or society >>> thinks it should be. My business model is very, very different from the >>> norm. It's people that deviate from the "accepted standard", the ones that >>> think outside the box, that tend to do really well. My idea of success and >>> my idea of what and how a business should operate are not the same as >>> yours. >>> >>> Billing is something that should not be this difficult and expensive. >>> Why should I pay 5% of my revenue to someone that does nearly nothing??? If >>> I take what wispmon charges, add that to what it cost me to run a payment, >>> and then take out my operating costs, the likelihood of there being much >>> left is very low. The credit card companies already steal almost 3% before >>> I even pay the gateway company. Why are there so many different people >>> involved to make is to I can collect $45 from my customer? >>> >>> I really like what stripe, swipe, and PayPal have done by basically >>> taking one of the people out of that. The only problem is that they aren't >>> set up well for monthly recurring payments. That is what I intend to close >>> the gap on. >>> >>> Anyone who charges by the sub or has a monthly minimum so high that it >>> isn't worth it does not have a business model I agree with. >>> >>> I had seriously considered wispmon, but quickly ruled them out as soon >>> as I realized that you charge more for BYO Merchant account. I already have >>> a merchant account and have no interest in paying $200 to sign up for a new >>> one I have no experience with, or pay en extra $0.30 per sub per month >>> because I want to use someone I already use and trust. >>> >>> Another problem with Wispmon is that the main website looks like it was >>> built by using someone's free template that was simply modified old using >>> basic HTML code. If that is the impression I get from the main website, >>> what kind of product could they possibly be giving me? Will it look good? >>> Will it be based on old code too? Will it be easy to use? Too many >>> questions right off the bat. I'm not at all saying that this is how it is, >>> just saying that perception is reality. My first impression wasn't good, so >>> that sets the tone for the rest. >>> >>> You then went on to give me unsolicited advice as if to tell me how to >>> be running my business. My question was not why I should or shouldn't do >>> something, it was simply what options are out there. I've asked this >>> question several times and have done very extensive research on several >>> products. I didn't go that deep into wispmon because of my very first >>> impressions. And now after the email you sent out I will never consider it >>> again in the future. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious what your review consisted of? To my knowledge, you never >>> contacted us to ask any questions even after an offlist invitation. It >>> seems if you are going to the trouble of creating something new, you would >>> at least perform an exhaustive analysis meaning you are talking to someone >>> to ask questions. I understand you think that perhaps the most important >>> piece of your business should be free or close to it, but is that really >>> where you want to skimp? Having owned a wisp for 8 years starting in 2003 >>> and sold to JAB in 2010, and actually been where you think you are now, >>> when there really were few platforms available, I would have jumped at the >>> chance to pay under $1 (or maybe slightly more) per sub to have all the >>> capability that most of the current systems currently have. I'm curious to >>> what other systems you have in place that handle things like mapping, >>> monitoring, FCC reporting, sales tracking, prospect qualification, >>> inventory management, ip management, work orders, trouble tickets, >>> scheduling, provisioning, automated suspension and payments, reporting, and >>> more in addition to billing? If you are using separate systems for all of >>> these things, then it is probably costing you more than what you would pay >>> for a single platform which does all of these things. I know you say you >>> are small and if you are doing all of these things manually or with >>> multiple platforms, there will be a day when that won't scale and you will >>> either be killing yourself trying to keep up, or spending far more than you >>> think to make it all work. My advice would be to do a bit more real >>> research before you dig into rolling your own. Talk to people who have been >>> in your shoes and were adverse to spending money on a good system. I tell >>> people who are evaluating different systems, that even if they don't choose >>> us, choose one of the ones out there. If you are just getting started, it >>> is the best decision you will make. It is much easier to get in at the >>> beginning than to convert later. The hardest part of being a self-starting >>> entrepreneur is knowing when to let go of certain things and either pay >>> someone to do them, or pay to get them out of the way so you can get down >>> to growing your business. This I know for sure, as it is the hardest part >>> for me. >>> >>> Cameron >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Brett A Mansfield < >>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> To be clear, this will not be a standard in any way. It's just to fill >>>> a need where I see one. Something for the little guys like myself. This >>>> will not be a solution for those big customers since it will be limited to >>>> billing/CRM. >>>> >>>> I'm not doing this for profit. I'm doing this on the side and the >>>> numbers should make it break even. >>>> >>>> Eric, I really like that comic strip, it is exactly what I was thinking >>>> when I thought of doing this. Haha. >>>> >>>> There is NOTHING on the market like it though. Something that works, >>>> that is nearly free, that is for the very small guys where every single >>>> penny counts. >>>> >>>> If nobody in the world uses this system but me, then I'll still feel it >>>> was worth my time. My partners are volunteering their time and so am I, so >>>> our cost will be very low to develop this. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good luck. It certainly has been tried before... >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Brett A Mansfield < >>>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So, after a lot of review of every billing solution I can find out >>>>> there, I've come to the conclusion that there is no good billing system. >>>>> Everything out there either requires you use their merchant, has a minimum >>>>> monthly cost, or isn't really designed for the ISP. Even the stuff that >>>>> has >>>>> come out most recently isn't a good fit. >>>>> >>>>> For those of you who are smaller and don't want to pay a monthly >>>>> minimum, or want to use your choice of merchant, or don't want to pay a >>>>> per >>>>> user charge, something new will be coming soon! >>>>> >>>>> I've spoken to a few proven software engineers in the financial side >>>>> of things and we are partnering up to develop a new ISP billing software. >>>>> It will be turnkey, very easy to use, and can be deployed either by you on >>>>> your servers, or can be hosted on ours. It will only handle >>>>> billing/invoicing and CRM/ticketing. Best of all, it's practically free! >>>>> >>>>> More details to come. I'll keep you posted when we have more info. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Welcome to 2014? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Monday, December 7, 2015 1:32:33 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>>> >>>>> Ubiquiti has a CRM? >>>>> >>>>> On 12/7/2015 2:27 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's funny you mentioned waveapps. That is what I started out with. It >>>>> was a disaster. And the fact they don't allow multiple email addresses for >>>>> recurring invoices was a major deal breaker for me. >>>>> >>>>> I've since moved to UBNTs airCRM. It is an excellent setup on paper, >>>>> but is seriously lacking currently and is very erratic. I need something >>>>> solid, secure, and that I don't have to worry about all the time. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists < >>>>> <lis...@joshaven.com>lis...@joshaven.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Plat has excellent support >>>>> >>>>> In my opinion, the problems with plat are: >>>>> 1) The user interface is a pain in the butt and generally discouraging. >>>>> 2) The software depends on a Windows platform and even worse direct >>>>> database connections from the client. >>>>> >>>>> 1) In most places when you want to alter something like customer data >>>>> you have to click on the field to edit from a table and then go to the >>>>> top >>>>> to make the change in something that is like an address bar… of course you >>>>> can get used to this but Plat is full of non-user friendly quirks like >>>>> this. It reminds me of what it feels like to go back and use Windows 95 >>>>> or >>>>> Windows 3.1 when I am used to modern operating systems. The system feels >>>>> almost like directly editing a database except that the software does >>>>> enforce logical edits so it is not nearly as dangerous as direct database >>>>> minupulation. >>>>> >>>>> 2) If you want to run a good highly available platform then you will >>>>> be spending a lot on software licensing with Microsoft. What is the going >>>>> rate for a MSSQL cluster now of days? Of course you can throw this on old >>>>> rusty crusty in a closet and run the free version of MSSQL but we are >>>>> carriers not hacks right? Also you are depending on ODBC database >>>>> connections between your clients and the server. Opening direct database >>>>> connections to my billing server gives me the creeps even if it is only >>>>> open to a network under my administration. I’m a fan of local host db >>>>> access only except for database peers. I would really like to see ISP >>>>> billing software be web based using standard https protocols and having no >>>>> client side dependencies like odbc configurations and client executables. >>>>> Try using Plat on a tablet… I don’t want my billing platform holding back >>>>> my ability to creatively design my installation process… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I feel like I am ragging on Plat… maybe I am a bit but I want to >>>>> underscore their support. They are truly exceptional to work with and you >>>>> can rely on their platform. Just don’t expect to enjoy using it. If you >>>>> like function over form then you may be a perfect match for Plat… I just >>>>> wish they would do some magic to address the above two complaints. >>>>> >>>>> My recommendation to them is to become database & OS agnostic (at >>>>> least MySQL or MSSQL and run on Apache) and to make the client interface >>>>> be >>>>> 100% standards compliment browser based. I suspect if they don’t do this >>>>> they will find themselves with a EOL product in the next few years. >>>>> >>>>> Right now there are really good options emerging like WaveApps. Wave >>>>> offers free billing including credit card processing at fair rates. They >>>>> don’t fit perfectly with an ISP (yet) but they are promising an API which >>>>> means that a good solutions provider can crank out an integrations >>>>> solution >>>>> with Wave for front end billing. I am also super excited to see what >>>>> Sonar >>>>> has to offer. I hope their offer is solid and we have a glorious >>>>> solution… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At any rate I am waiting with bated breath to see where this lands >>>>> over the next few months. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Joshaven Potter >>>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA >>>>> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com >>>>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 >>>>> supp...@joshaven.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I can setup Platypus for billing only in less than an hour, including >>>>> setting up plans/rates/services/importing customers. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That get's to be a little in depth and probably a loaded >>>>>> question...but I know when we moved to Powercode the old team that wasn't >>>>>> very good had it done in one afternoon. This was from Quickbooks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Ken Hohhof < <af...@kwisp.com> >>>>>> af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you including database conversion? Items, customers, current >>>>>>> balances, recurring billing, credit cards, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then there’s setting up the online customer payment portal. >>>>>>> Especially if customers already had online accounts. And you need to >>>>>>> hook >>>>>>> it into your merchant account, put your logo on it, test it, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 05, 2015 2:24 PM >>>>>>> *To:* <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm simply saying 2 days is a long time to setup a billing system. >>>>>>> For someone that wants it running "immediately" 2 days is a LONG time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Philip Rankin < >>>>>>> <wireless...@gmail.com>wireless...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey, I'm not in this for an argument. I am just offering to help a >>>>>>>> guy out if I can. I'll bow out of this conversation. >>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015 1:37 PM, "Josh Luthman" < >>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Two days??? Powercode takes like an hour. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Philip Rankin < >>>>>>>>> <wireless...@gmail.com>wireless...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Guys, I am still a major believer in Tucows Platypus. Brett, I >>>>>>>>>> could have you up and running with Plat in under 2 days as long as >>>>>>>>>> you can >>>>>>>>>> answer speed and pricing questions as I ask them. And all I would >>>>>>>>>> need is >>>>>>>>>> remote access to a Windows 7 computer. Let me know if you are >>>>>>>>>> interested. >>>>>>>>>> Most of the training can be done remotely in less than a day, too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Simon Westlake < >>>>>>>>>> <simon@sonar.software>simon@sonar.software> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think it is still pretty early on. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2015 6:22 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I guess it does that...lol. I wasn't really expecting it to >>>>>>>>>>> be like that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's not very baked ? or am I missing something? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Chuck Hogg < >>>>>>>>>>> <ch...@shelbybb.com>ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I meant for the admin side? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>>>>>>> <fai...@snappytelecom.net>fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just guessing.... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Drop down on top right, select signup/create account ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>>>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>>>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>>>>>>>> <supp...@snappytelecom.net>supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" < <ch...@shelbybb.com>ch...@shelbybb.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: * <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, December 4, 2015 4:25:07 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Need new billing solution asap!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know how to login to his demo? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Simon Westlake < >>>>>>>>>>>>> <simon@sonar.software>simon@sonar.software> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/spencerlambert/wisp-central-control> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/spencerlambert/wisp-central-control >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2015 10:08 AM, Jeremy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't Spencer Lambert's web front-end free? Last time I saw >>>>>>>>>>>>>> him at Animal Farm he was touting it and said he would help with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> customization at a flat rate of $100/hr. He is located in Utah, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want something cheap or free that may be an option. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be worth contacting him. I recommend Powercode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Craig Schmaderer < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been looking at <https://www.whmcs.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.whmcs.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend that uses it for his ventrillo voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business and it does auto billing and ticketing and is cheap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can get a hosted solution if you don't want to install it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig schmaderer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skywave Wireless, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:41 AM -0800, "Brett A Mansfield" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com>li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is what I've always said about quality, cheap and fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can only pick two. You will never have all three. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For this I need fast and quality. Cheap is relative in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case. I don't have a lot of customers so the $200/mo min that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visp requires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is about $100-150 too much for me. I'm fine with a reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one time fee, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it must be reasonable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used to use waveapps to just invoice and then customers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could pay using the invoice. But if they didn't get the email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or lost it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they couldn't pay their bill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate everyone's input on this. I think I'm going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with platypus and pay someone to set it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like powercode, I just cannot justify the initial cost for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my small size operation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Chris Fabien < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ch...@lakenetmi.com>ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good, cheap, and fast? You know what they say about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are reasonably happy with Powercode. Few gripes but it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has never double or triple charged our customers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2015 1:35 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com>li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a good billing solution that is cheap and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can have up in running immediately. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had far too many issues with my current billing system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need something turnkey and cheap. My WISP is a fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small operation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not willing to pay per sub, especially if there is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum like visp. I don't want to buy any new hardware. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platypus, but it cannot be deployed easily or quickly. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powercode, but I don't want to buy any new hardware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anything out there that might fit my needs? Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should I just go back to manual invoicing with quickbooks? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: simon@sonar.software >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Simon Westlake >>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar >>>>>>>>>>> Email: simon@sonar.software >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 >>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> Sonar Software Inc >>>>>>>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Philip J. 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