It's good to hear that they're a good company, but so annoying that they won't just hand out a number. So many companies are so annoying like that. I sent out 275 requests for transport circuits. I got like 20 back in time, some took over 30 days. I've had some quotes take four to six months to come back. I now just use someone that has a realtime quoting engine. I feed it 50 circuits and it has an answer for me generally for 45 out of the 50 in under five minutes. I'm not going to waste sales guys' time with engineering out random projects simply to see if I could afford to build it. Not sustainable. OLT price, ONT price, done. Everything else is vendor independent and widely available.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 8:56:16 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F Guys, I recommend you get it quoted and go through the hassle. I've seen as much as a 45% discount on the MSRP of products when going through all the hoops. It's not like the wireless world, search distys for the cheapest price. These guys truly want to be long term partners with you. It's cheaper for us from day one to use GPON over AE on the electronics side. A pair of SFPs run about $50. RB/2011 is $100. The OLT is more expensive than Planet as described, but once you add up all the SFP costs and the 2011 costs for 24 customers, it's cheaper to be GPON. I've always said, once we hit that mark, we'll probably switch to GPON. We've found that Alphion is willing to listen to us. They implemented numerous features in the NMS we requested. The NMS itself doesn't cost thousands, which is a departure from every GPON provider we talked to. They have been there for support for us on numerous things. They even came out to visit, shadowed us on installs, and made recommendations to us and took notes on how to improve their product home. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Kevin Radunz < gol...@genevaonline.com > wrote: Yes, I agree. The big reason for looking at GPON in my case is saving fibers out to the country and not needing remote hardware in the middle. If I can use 2 strands to feed a subdivision that is 2 miles away, instead of using 24/48/or 96 strands, I can more than double/triple the fiber footprint for the same cost and not have costly switches/optics in remote enclosures. If I was only running to MDUs active would be great. The whole reason I started looking at GPON was that guys here on the lists have said the GPON hardware is no more costly than the active equipment. If that's true GPON would save a ton on the fiber plant side of things. > That's fully retarded... The great thing about doing active-ethernet vs. > any form of GPON or EPON is the much larger set of available equipment. > Not > everything you can use for active-E as necessarily designed or marketed > for > residential services, and that's a good thing. > > GPON and EPON equipment vendors still seem like they only want to sell to > huge carriers that will commit themselves to getting married to a platform > for ten years, and buy a ton of it, not caring that it's proprietary. > Yeah.... > > Stuff like 48-port 1000BaseT blades for routers you can install in MDUs > and > 24/48-port SFP switches are used in all kinds of places. > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Kevin Radunz < gol...@genevaonline.com > > wrote: > >> They may be cheap but I inquired and they won't just give you pricing so >> I >> don't know. >> They have to "Customize" a complete solution for you. >> Typical big boy sales crap with an immediate NDA before they will talk >> with you. >> It completely turned me off on using Alphion. >> >> >> > Ballpark on cheap? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > Midwest Internet Exchange >> > http://www.midwest-ix.com >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > From: "Gerard Dupont III" < ger...@shelbybb.com > >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:01 PM >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >> > >> > They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other >> vendors >> > we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the >> big >> > names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless fed >> > residential builds we keep doing. >> > >> > >> > No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not >> worried >> > about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of the >> > neighborhoods. >> > >> > >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a >> path >> > to NG-PON2? >> > On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" < ger...@shelbybb.com > >> > wrote: >> > >> > <blockquote> >> > We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place. >> Plan >> > on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though. >> > >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > <blockquote> >> > >> > >> > >> > What are you using for GPON now? >> > >> > I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet >> switches >> > in active. >> > >> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont >> III >> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >> > >> > We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate >> > controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using >> cheap >> > chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are mostly >> > MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs. >> > >> > >> > >> > Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l >> firmware. >> > >> > >> > >> > I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been >> solid. >> > >> > >> > >> > We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be >> installing >> > them. >> > >> > >> > >> > Gerard >> > >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > >> wrote: >> > <blockquote> >> > >> > Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports? >> > Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on >> the >> > CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up >> > their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they >> want >> > active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why >> not >> > do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge >> of >> > designing the core network inside their box of requirements. >> > >> > On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote: >> > <blockquote> >> > >> > Excellent. Thanks. >> > >> > On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote: >> > <blockquote> >> > >> > We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis. >> It's >> > never given us any trouble. >> > >> > Craig >> > >> > >> > Quoting George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com >: >> > <blockquote> >> > >> > I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has >> used >> > this Planet switch? >> > http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441 >> > >> > Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some >> cheap >> > single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the >> project >> > rolling. Such as: >> > >> http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html >> >> > >> > Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > </blockquote> >> > >> > >> > </blockquote> >> > >> > </blockquote> >> > >> > </blockquote> >> > >> > </blockquote> >> > >> > >> >> >> > </blockquote>
