My thought about this is, whatever 10G GPON standard that is used, is designed also for passive devices in the field. So we might have to upgrade those PLCs at some point, but they are so cheap, it doesn't matter. Especially since they are stating up to 10G/10G. I've been importing PLC's for <$50, some as little as <$10. Our last fiber build based on Alphion gear is going to take 13 months for a return. Active would have pushed that to about 23 months because of the extra fiber and because we would have to have paid more to put it in the ground (we used standard 12ct flat drop, no conduit, our contractor only charges $.20/ft to do that). We still have 4 unused strands of fiber. This is an all residential build in a small subdivision.
I understand exactly what Chuck and Sterling are saying. I just don't see the need to waste the money to prep for Active, when the standards are staying way ahead of the need/consumption of the subscriber even at Gigabit. In <5 years the 10G stuff will be as cheap as the 1G stuff...because more ISP's will begin deploying it. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > We run a strand to each dwelling once we get into a cluster of homes. > Cabinet mounted splitters. > Then later we can do active to each home if we want to add electronics at > the cabinet locations. > > -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Radunz > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:47 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F > > Yes, I agree. > The big reason for looking at GPON in my case is saving fibers out to the > country and not needing remote hardware in the middle. If I can use 2 > strands to feed a subdivision that is 2 miles away, instead of using > 24/48/or 96 strands, I can more than double/triple the fiber footprint > for the same cost and not have costly switches/optics in remote > enclosures. If I was only running to MDUs active would be great. The > whole reason I started looking at GPON was that guys here on the lists > have said the GPON hardware is no more costly than the active equipment. > If that's true GPON would save a ton on the fiber plant side of things. > > > That's fully retarded... The great thing about doing active-ethernet vs. >> any form of GPON or EPON is the much larger set of available equipment. >> Not >> everything you can use for active-E as necessarily designed or marketed >> for >> residential services, and that's a good thing. >> >> GPON and EPON equipment vendors still seem like they only want to sell to >> huge carriers that will commit themselves to getting married to a platform >> for ten years, and buy a ton of it, not caring that it's proprietary. >> Yeah.... >> >> Stuff like 48-port 1000BaseT blades for routers you can install in MDUs >> and >> 24/48-port SFP switches are used in all kinds of places. >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Kevin Radunz <gol...@genevaonline.com> >> wrote: >> >> They may be cheap but I inquired and they won't just give you pricing so >>> I >>> don't know. >>> They have to "Customize" a complete solution for you. >>> Typical big boy sales crap with an immediate NDA before they will talk >>> with you. >>> It completely turned me off on using Alphion. >>> >>> >>> > Ballpark on cheap? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- >>> > Mike Hammett >>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> > http://www.ics-il.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Midwest Internet Exchange >>> > http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > >>> > From: "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com> >>> > To: af@afmug.com >>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:01 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >>> > >>> > They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other >>> vendors >>> > we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the >>> big >>> > names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless fed >>> > residential builds we keep doing. >>> > >>> > >>> > No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not >>> worried >>> > about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of the >>> > neighborhoods. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a >>> path >>> > to NG-PON2? >>> > On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" < ger...@shelbybb.com > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > <blockquote> >>> > We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place. >>> Plan >>> > on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though. >>> > >>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net >>> > >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > <blockquote> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > What are you using for GPON now? >>> > >>> > I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet >>> >>> switches >>> > in active. >>> > >>> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont >>> III >>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM >>> > To: af@afmug.com >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >>> > >>> > We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate >>> > controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using >>> cheap >>> > chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are mostly >>> > MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l >>> firmware. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been >>> solid. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be >>> installing >>> > them. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Gerard >>> > >>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > >>> wrote: >>> > <blockquote> >>> > >>> > Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports? >>> > Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on >>> the >>> > CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up >>> > their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they >>> want >>> > active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why >>> not >>> > do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge >>> of >>> > designing the core network inside their box of requirements. >>> > >>> > On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote: >>> > <blockquote> >>> > >>> > Excellent. Thanks. >>> > >>> > On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote: >>> > <blockquote> >>> > >>> > We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis. >>> It's >>> > never given us any trouble. >>> > >>> > Craig >>> > >>> > >>> > Quoting George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com >: >>> > <blockquote> >>> > >>> > I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has >>> used >>> > this Planet switch? >>> > http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441 >>> > >>> > Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some >>> cheap >>> > single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the >>> project >>> > rolling. Such as: >>> > >>> >>> http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html >>> > >>> > Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > </blockquote> >>> > >>> > >>> > </blockquote> >>> > >>> > >>> > </blockquote> >>> > >>> > </blockquote> >>> > >>> > </blockquote> >>> > >>> > </blockquote> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
