You're doing your main runs with 12ct drop cable, no conduit? Or just the customer drops?
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: > My thought about this is, whatever 10G GPON standard that is used, is > designed also for passive devices in the field. So we might have to > upgrade those PLCs at some point, but they are so cheap, it doesn't > matter. Especially since they are stating up to 10G/10G. I've been > importing PLC's for <$50, some as little as <$10. Our last fiber build > based on Alphion gear is going to take 13 months for a return. Active > would have pushed that to about 23 months because of the extra fiber and > because we would have to have paid more to put it in the ground (we used > standard 12ct flat drop, no conduit, our contractor only charges $.20/ft to > do that). We still have 4 unused strands of fiber. This is an all > residential build in a small subdivision. > > I understand exactly what Chuck and Sterling are saying. I just don't see > the need to waste the money to prep for Active, when the standards are > staying way ahead of the need/consumption of the subscriber even at > Gigabit. In <5 years the 10G stuff will be as cheap as the 1G > stuff...because more ISP's will begin deploying it. > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> We run a strand to each dwelling once we get into a cluster of homes. >> Cabinet mounted splitters. >> Then later we can do active to each home if we want to add electronics at >> the cabinet locations. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Radunz >> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:47 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >> >> Yes, I agree. >> The big reason for looking at GPON in my case is saving fibers out to the >> country and not needing remote hardware in the middle. If I can use 2 >> strands to feed a subdivision that is 2 miles away, instead of using >> 24/48/or 96 strands, I can more than double/triple the fiber footprint >> for the same cost and not have costly switches/optics in remote >> enclosures. If I was only running to MDUs active would be great. The >> whole reason I started looking at GPON was that guys here on the lists >> have said the GPON hardware is no more costly than the active equipment. >> If that's true GPON would save a ton on the fiber plant side of things. >> >> >> That's fully retarded... The great thing about doing active-ethernet vs. >>> any form of GPON or EPON is the much larger set of available equipment. >>> Not >>> everything you can use for active-E as necessarily designed or marketed >>> for >>> residential services, and that's a good thing. >>> >>> GPON and EPON equipment vendors still seem like they only want to sell to >>> huge carriers that will commit themselves to getting married to a >>> platform >>> for ten years, and buy a ton of it, not caring that it's proprietary. >>> Yeah.... >>> >>> Stuff like 48-port 1000BaseT blades for routers you can install in MDUs >>> and >>> 24/48-port SFP switches are used in all kinds of places. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Kevin Radunz <gol...@genevaonline.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> They may be cheap but I inquired and they won't just give you pricing so >>>> I >>>> don't know. >>>> They have to "Customize" a complete solution for you. >>>> Typical big boy sales crap with an immediate NDA before they will talk >>>> with you. >>>> It completely turned me off on using Alphion. >>>> >>>> >>>> > Ballpark on cheap? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- >>>> > Mike Hammett >>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> > http://www.ics-il.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> > http://www.midwest-ix.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > >>>> > From: "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com> >>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:01 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >>>> > >>>> > They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other >>>> vendors >>>> > we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the >>>> big >>>> > names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless fed >>>> > residential builds we keep doing. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not >>>> worried >>>> > about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of the >>>> > neighborhoods. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a >>>> path >>>> > to NG-PON2? >>>> > On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" < ger...@shelbybb.com > >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > <blockquote> >>>> > We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place. >>>> Plan >>>> > on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though. >>>> > >>>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net >>>> > >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > <blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > What are you using for GPON now? >>>> > >>>> > I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet >>>> >>>> switches >>>> > in active. >>>> > >>>> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont >>>> III >>>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM >>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F >>>> > >>>> > We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate >>>> > controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using >>>> cheap >>>> > chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are mostly >>>> > MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l >>>> firmware. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been >>>> solid. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be >>>> installing >>>> > them. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Gerard >>>> > >>>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > >>>> wrote: >>>> > <blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports? >>>> > Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on >>>> the >>>> > CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up >>>> > their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they >>>> want >>>> > active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why >>>> not >>>> > do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge >>>> of >>>> > designing the core network inside their box of requirements. >>>> > >>>> > On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote: >>>> > <blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > Excellent. Thanks. >>>> > >>>> > On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote: >>>> > <blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis. >>>> It's >>>> > never given us any trouble. >>>> > >>>> > Craig >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Quoting George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com >: >>>> > <blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has >>>> used >>>> > this Planet switch? >>>> > http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441 >>>> > >>>> > Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some >>>> cheap >>>> > single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the >>>> project >>>> > rolling. Such as: >>>> > >>>> >>>> http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html >>>> > >>>> > Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > </blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > </blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > </blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > </blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > </blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > </blockquote> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
