Yea. Cisco is another company that realized they could leverage their name by buying some crap, slapping a logo on it, and jacking the price. They never realized there are a bunch of people that then think a lot less of the brand. Kind of like Black&Decker. They used to make strictly great stuff decades ago then they started making a discount brand and you could never tell after that if you were buying their crap or good line. Now everything they sell is crap.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:19 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > Is it possible that you are mistaken about this (being a diaup router > etc..) > > It is not un-common to have a 'managed' t1 router deployed with a OOB > dial-up modem connection. > Cisco router being used as an MPLS managed end-point, or a firewall / vpn > etc. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:01:12 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" > > Haha, regarding no one ever got fired for buying Cisco. I was helping a > customer today figure out a remote site we don’t serve, he was on the phone > and sending me photos of what their corporate IT had set up. There was a > shiny new Cisco 1921 router in the rack connected to a Westell box on the > wall that I assumed was a T1 smartjack. But I had him read me the P/N on > the WIC card, and it was a WIC-1AM-V2. I looked it up, and that’s a V.92 > analog modem card. They bought a whole 1921 router for a dialup modem line. > > > > *From:* Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 6:55 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" > > Yea, I have been installing connectors on it since 1975. When you do > install thousands have the right to for both, lmr600 still is faster with > just as good and solid a connector. Multiply the time savings by a few > hundred connections on a job and it really adds up. > But, kind of like Cisco. Nobody ever got fired for using it. > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 6:49 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of >> it since 1993....have the tools for prepping cables....the connectors >> install correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them. LMR feels >> like RG 58 thicker brother. I have used LMR when supplied by client. I >> can drive 15 minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors. No wait no >> shipping cost. >> Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it. So for newbies I >> concede your point. I prefer Betty over Veronica and Mary Ann over >> Ginger. So that's my story and I am sticking to it. >> On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little >>> experience will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the >>> dialectical face causing issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a >>> building, LMR600 is much less likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 >>> cents more foot. Unless you are running several hundred feet it is >>> unlikely to make any difference. >>> >>> LMR 600 LDF4-50A >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4 .463 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0 .815 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A 2.0 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5 2.09 >>> cable size .590" 1/2" >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A 2.17 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7 2.97 >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4 NA >>> attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3 NAOn the other hand, if >>> you really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a TON of 1/2" and 1/4" >>> Andrews connectors. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I prefer Heliax....I use LMR for pigtails but rarely....we also use >>>> Andrew superflex.... >>>> On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is >>>>> much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per >>>>> frequency range. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Andrew 1/2 Heliax >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's most helpful! Do you have any idea what kind of cable that >>>>>>> was? I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss >>>>>>> will work? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch <sam...@plexicomm.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N >>>>>>>> Connector and ran LMR to the roof. Hope that helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions | >>>>>>>> www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net>* >>>>>>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: >>>>>>>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | >>>>>>>> sam...@plexicomm.net <sam...@plexicomm.net>* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>> From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe >>>>>>>> that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it >>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>> that it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear >>>>>>>> bunker, >>>>>>>> but in normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> one issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in >>>>>>>>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little >>>>>>>>>> connector (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or >>>>>>>>>> so). >>>>>>>>>> Put a wire on the end of the coax, and you're there. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel <sam...@plexicomm.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what >>>>>>>>>>> I was dealing with. We had to run our own GPS antenna from the >>>>>>>>>>> roof down >>>>>>>>>>> to the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, >>>>>>>>>>> and this is a very newly renovated building. Will keep that in >>>>>>>>>>> mind! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support >>>>>>>>>>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions >>>>>>>>>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> cell booster or gps booster? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect >>>>>>>>>>> 915-861-1390 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch <sam...@plexicomm.net >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually >>>>>>>>>>>> read the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on >>>>>>>>>>>> Android). >>>>>>>>>>>> We had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting >>>>>>>>>>>> why the >>>>>>>>>>>> damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS >>>>>>>>>>>> receiver was >>>>>>>>>>>> working in rooms where the windows were open and not working in >>>>>>>>>>>> rooms where >>>>>>>>>>>> the windows were closed. Building management didn't even know >>>>>>>>>>>> they'd >>>>>>>>>>>> purchased the windows with RF film. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet >>>>>>>>>>>> Solutions | www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net/>* >>>>>>>>>>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688* >>>>>>>>>>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | >>>>>>>>>>>> <sam...@plexicomm.net>sam...@plexicomm.net <sam...@plexicomm.net>* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they >>>>>>>>>>>> use the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they >>>>>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>>>>> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to >>>>>>>>>>>> reset the power. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of >>>>>>>>>>>> these don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an >>>>>>>>>>>> excessively >>>>>>>>>>>> long time to get a lock. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very >>>>>>>>>>>>> accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... My >>>>>>>>>>>>> oneplus one >>>>>>>>>>>>> will pick up 6 satellites while standing in a central hallway >>>>>>>>>>>>> 15'+ from any >>>>>>>>>>>>> window. Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building >>>>>>>>>>>>> or something like that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to tiny channel size and very basic modulation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" < >>>>>>>>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail if the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mile of where >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the customer address is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that prevents >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a VPN? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A >>>>>>>>>>>>>> address.� WTF?� Did they maybe mean it can't be a class >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind Cisco ASA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> firewall (which I don't manage). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> means something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
