I’m with Lewis on this one. LMR is much faster and easier to terminate,
especially for a newbe, will not kink and cannot fill with water.
Heliax is a bit sexier, takes better/special tools (tubing cutter etc) will
kink and can fill with water.
Kinking and having to swage the copper just right is the main things for me. I
am sure it costs a bit more too.
The difference in loss really doesn’t add up unless it is a very long run.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:49 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
Personal preference... having installed thousands and thousands feet of it
since 1993....have the tools for prepping cables....the connectors install
correctly will not come off by pulling or yanking them. LMR feels like RG 58
thicker brother. I have used LMR when supplied by client. I can drive 15
minutes to Epcom and buy it along with connectors. No wait no shipping cost.
Yes it can be damaged by bending or kinking it. So for newbies I concede your
point. I prefer Betty over Veronica and Mary Ann over Ginger. So that's my
story and I am sticking to it.
On Feb 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a reason to prefer it? Most people who have little experience
will end up damaging heliax or leaving slivers on the dialectical face causing
issues. Besides, if you are running it inside a building, LMR600 is much less
likely to be damaged. 1/2" is at least 75 cents more foot. Unless you are
running several hundred feet it is unlikely to make any difference.
LMR 600 LDF4-50A
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 30 MHz .4 .463
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 150 MHz 1.0 .815
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 450 MHz 1.7 1.45
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 824 MHz N/A 2.0
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 896 MHz 2.5 2.09
cable size .590" 1/2"
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 960 MHz N/A 2.17
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 1700 MHz 3.7 2.97
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 2500 MHz 4.4 NA
attenuation,dB/100ft@ 5900 MHz 7.3 NA
On the other hand, if you really like it I'll give you a hell of a deal on a
TON of 1/2" and 1/4" Andrews connectors.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I prefer Heliax....I use LMR for pigtails but rarely....we also use Andrew
superflex....
On Feb 10, 2016 5:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is
much easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency
range.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Andrew 1/2 Heliax
On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:
That's most helpful! Do you have any idea what kind of cable that
was? I'm assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will
work?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch <sam...@plexicomm.net>
wrote:
Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N
Connector and ran LMR to the roof. Hope that helps.
-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net
------ Original Message ------
From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe
that if you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that
it won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so
in diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little
connector (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a
wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS
box?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel
<sam...@plexicomm.net> wrote:
Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender
is what I was dealing with. We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof
down to the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were
code now, and this is a very newly renovated building. Will keep that in mind!
-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
cell booster or gps booster?
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch
<sam...@plexicomm.net> wrote:
Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you
can actually read the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on
Android). We had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why
the damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was
working in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased the
windows with RF film.
-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 |
sam...@plexicomm.net
------ Original Message ------
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
It might not be just a matter of getting the
location. If they use the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before
they start transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if
I ever have to reset the power.
On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For whatever reason, the receivers that they
use in some of these don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an
excessively long time to get a lock.
On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if
not very accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus
one will pick up 6 satellites while standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any
window. Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
All bets are off if it is a concrete framed
apartment building or something like that.
I still find it amazing that anything works at
-162 RSL. Thanks to tiny channel size and very basic modulation.
On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');> wrote:
Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity.
It might also fail if the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile
of where the customer address is.
Also requires enough GPS (like near a window)
to get a GPS lock.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What are the typical reasons for these not to
work?� From the user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that
prevents a VPN?
�
Verizon support told the customer they needed a
Class A address.� WTF?� Did they maybe mean it can't be a class A
address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA
firewall (which I don't manage).
�
I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I
think that means something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
