For that price you can purchase a cell booster that stays off your network 
altogether and will help with any cell carrier in range.



Thank you,



Daniel White

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's $250 new :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 10, 2016 8:05 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Are we still talking about a GPS cable for a $100 femtocell??!?




bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 2/10/2016 4:16 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Dude, don't do that. LMR600. We buy it by the thousands of feet. It is much 
easier to run, less prone to damage, and equivalent in loss per frequency range.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 4:09 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Andrew 1/2  Heliax

On Feb 10, 2016 2:33 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

That's most helpful!  Do you have any idea what kind of cable that was?  I'm 
assuming anything that will handle 1600 MHz with minimal loss will work?






Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sam Kirsch <sam...@plexicomm.net 
<mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:

Yeah, I spoke to my field guy, he said they took an SMB <-> N Connector and ran 
LMR to the roof.  Hope that helps.





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------ Original Message ------

From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> >

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: 2/9/2016 9:42:37 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if you 
stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it won't 
resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in normal 
houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one issue.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in diameter. 
Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.




bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't 
recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the end 
of the coax, and you're there.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?






Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel <sam...@plexicomm.net 
<mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:

Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was dealing 
with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the basement to 
get the damn thing to sync properly.

As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is a 
very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



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Plexicomm Internet Solutions
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or gps booster?




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390 <tel:915-861-1390>





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch <sam...@plexicomm.net 
<mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:



Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the 
satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to 
install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing 
wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working in rooms 
where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the windows were 
closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased the windows with 
RF film.





 -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net>
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net 
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------ Original Message ------

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> >

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"



It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use the 1pps 
clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start transmitting, then 
it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.

Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to reset the power.



On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't seem to 
be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time to get a lock.

On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately, from 
inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up 6 
satellites while standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window. Should be 
accurate enough to get a location within 75'.

All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or something 
like that.

I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny channel 
size and very basic modulation.

 On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');> wrote:

 Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if the GPS 
location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the customer address 
is.

Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.




bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:



What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the user guide it 
appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?

�

Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.� WTF?� Did 
they maybe mean it can't be a class A address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x 
addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall (which I don't manage).

�

I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means something is 
using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?





























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