....and what makes a rug in the desert a muslim prayer rug?
On 2/19/2016 11:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I know a border patrol agent, pretty right wing, he claims they are
always finding muslem prayer rugs out in the desert. I find that hard
to believe but I suppose it is possible. If you are that devout why
would you leave your prayer rug?
*From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 8:47 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet
Funny... at meeting last week I attended where XG dude spoke, the HAM
club members were in 70s and White. When ex Col. Coleman spoke about
security some of these guys said ISIS had training camp in Chihuahua!
Ha...right out wacko right wing talk shows. I was taught to respect
my elders so I just listened.
On Feb 19, 2016 8:36 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Something that has struck me working with some local ham radio
clubs is not all of these guys know what they are talking about,
or follow all the rules, especially when it comes to things like
WiFi. They love cheap shiny crap like everyone else. At first
some of them were kind of arrogant, but I think when they realize
WISPs really are RF experts they get down off their high horse and
learn a few things from us. (Like a Rocket with an omni isn’t the
best way to provide WiFi at an outdoor event, and there are better
ways to feed it than piping your cellular modem into a Linksys
router.)
Ham radio also has a generation problem, they are mostly old white
guys with a few younger guys thrown in. Very few millennials and
not a very diverse bunch. Ham radio is being made obsolete by the
Internet, which lets you do a lot of the same things like
contacting people in other countries. We can help them branch out
into using the Internet in their hobby and being relevant to the
next generation.
*From:* Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 7:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet
I am still curious on why anyone thinks they deserve free stuff
because they belong to a club. I belong to the club of "I don't
want to pay for anything". I know, they supposedly have a public
emergency benefit. I haven't ever seen them be anything more than
a murderer in those situations but maybe we just have a bunch of
HAM dorks around here.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 7:27 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I see a bunch of different states listed, so it may be used as
the hub, but I'm not familiar with the software.
https://www.yaesu.com/jp/en/wires-x/index.php
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*From: *"Jerry Head" <li...@blountbroadband.com
<mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Friday, February 19, 2016 7:20:56 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet
Hmm he sent a few pictures, does this look like a conference
server?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lm7yqdblb6mri0l/Screenshot%202016-02-19%2007.16.28.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2u283gy05fgt9i/Screenshot%202016-02-19%2007.18.23.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/51jov0xxmybov37/Screenshot%202016-02-19%2007.19.32.png?dl=0
I have not applied the Google to research that device in the
third
picture...yet.
On 2/19/2016 12:59 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Unless they are trying to host a voice repeater conference
server they do not need anywhere near that kind of bandwidth.
A conference server would host multiple connects all at the
same time, if they needed 500k per connection that would add
up. I would not let them host a conference server on your
wireless network, that stuff is better placed in big data centers.
>
> I am an amateur radio operator and have data and voice
networks I maintain for the clubs locally. Honestly 1 to 3 meg
is more than enough for what they will need. Anything more
than that and they will likely be doing things that they
should be paying for on your network. They may be trying to do
some live video stuff but you don't need to shoulder that
burden, they can do live TV broadcasts on spectrum they have
available, not as easy to do as IP cams and Ethernet but they
can do it.
>
> If you have the tower space you might consider offering them
places to put their own links if all they need is bandwidth
between sites. There are amateur radio spectrum allocations in
the 3.3 GHz band as well as 5.9 GHz, and I am pretty sure they
can load international firmware and run their own links on
MicroTik or Ubiquiti radios. This would keep the traffic off
your network and possibly discourage them from putting up
links legally licensed in the bands you are using for your
business. Technically they have licensed rights and could
knock you off the air. Best not to start that war, they can
operate in the 900, 2.4 and 5 GHz bands legally at much higher
power. If you can get them off on to the spectrum that does
not overlap the unlicensed bands everyone wins. They also have
their own IPv4 space available (ampr.org <http://ampr.org>).
>
> Feel free to hit me up off list and/or have them contact me
if you need to. I will happily try to explain how they can
create win-win for everyone.
>
> Here is a link to a frequency chart that shows amateur radio
licensed allocations. Remember they are considered licensed
incumbents and you cannot interfere with their operations.
>
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Hambands_color.pdf
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 9:05 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet
>
> I think a few of the list members out there are HAMs so I
need some advice please.
> I support our local HAM group and have allowed them to
place repeaters on two of my towers at no charge to their
group. Now one of their members has asked for Internet service
at one of the sites for HAM use. I have heard something about
HAMs using the Internet to "talk" so I guess this is not unusual.
> For me the kicker is that he is asking for 20x20Mbps
service...I certainly have the capacity but that just seems
excessive.
> Opinions anyone?
>
