Too bad people don't read or know history. On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Interesting speech by President Eisenhower in 1957: > > http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2007/06/20070626154822lnkais0.6946985.html#axzz42kE970Oh > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:49 PM > *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > I don't know...wish I did...we as Americans must stand together or > fall...if the nations that whooped Custer and his troops had stuck together > history would be very different. My black belt in Kenpo Karate was > awarded to me by Cliff Magic Thomas in 77...i started teaching at his > schools part time from 85 to 88...he was a dinner guest at my > house....lots of folks from neighborhood would come over and talk to him > except for one neighbor who called police on us. Told police we were > doing drugs...ha...Cliff was a 5 time PKA world champion. We didn't even > have beer!!! Mr. Ivey didn't like Mexicans but hated African Americans. > He was like 200 years old. His wife was nice...our neighborhood was mixed > until 1990s. All the white neighbors moved out...my first house > neighborhood still diverse except for no whites but three families. Oh > well. Other than Mr. Ivey no issues with race. Now El Paso did have > issues just like most of Texas but Fort Bliss changed allot of that. We > are a very diverse town...a few years back Socorro High School baseball > team took state championship... when they played in east Texas...the kids > from those schools called them all kinds of racists remarks..oh > well...btw..Alabama is first place I ate at Waffle House....love their > coffee and breakfast.... too bad none in El Paso....like Reagan said > once...how small will our differences be when we get invaded from outer > space....I paraphrased it > On Mar 12, 2016 6:00 PM, "Jay Weekley" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? >> >> Glen Waldrop wrote: >> >>> For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. >>> We get along fine. >>> >>> It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from >>> a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home >>> towns. >>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> Jaime.....I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 >>> blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on >>> a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have >>> absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally >>> generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism >>> still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - >>> and we just looked at old people funny and understood. >>> For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. >>> What changed? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still >>> have a beer together. Our founding fathers were men just like >>> you and me...sinners and not perfect.... while the intent of >>> Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for >>> the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped >>> out or moved to reservations....visit some in your beautiful state >>> of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or >>> go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to >>> parts of the south and east and talk to them about the >>> constitution. Learn the language... yes that ln makes >>> sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and >>> more now in Middle East...they speak several languages....respect >>> our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget >>> signs in restaurants and hotels >>> ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, >>> voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even >>> when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and >>> facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers >>> compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up >>> in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of >>> convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not >>> Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking >>> about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their >>> culture....America is Not the Borg.... we can't all be blue eyed >>> blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone.... stop listening >>> to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history >>> book..but not one printed in Texas....ajuuaaa >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >>> >>> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is >>> that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider >>> diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than >>> you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I >>> abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an >>> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a >>> racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the >>> intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that >>> there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply >>> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. >>> However, we can define the problems created by race, race >>> hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just >>> blame everyone else for their problems and failures. >>> >>> What I care about is that there is a class of people that are >>> not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the >>> facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call >>> out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, >>> not having a solid family support system, not following the >>> law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless >>> of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be >>> it. Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and >>> stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have >>> the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest >>> country in the world is falling apart from within and from the >>> outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants >>> required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell >>> yes I want every child to get a good education that honors >>> this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and >>> women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that >>> keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not >>> expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country >>> are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and >>> separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the >>> fact that color is used as an excuse. >>> >>> The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the >>> entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that >>> doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they >>> can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders >>> because our culture and education failed an entire >>> generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated >>> this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower >>> standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and >>> racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter >>> of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You >>> want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my >>> conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, >>> the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, >>> and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t >>> matter will they? >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call >>> your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made >>> some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t >>> take any criticism? >>> >>> We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always >>> notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white >>> men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because >>> everyone here thinks that way too. >>> >>> *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM >>> >>> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is >>> that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society >>> who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for >>> the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special >>> treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they >>> keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… >>> The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s >>> liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay >>> in power. >>> >>> You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You >>> want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will >>> get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever >>> speak to me again. You went too far. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken >>> Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Black people really seem to set you off. >>> >>> *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >>> >>> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black >>> Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is >>> looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are >>> doing that. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Faisal >>> Imtiaz >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this >>> discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much >>> concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion >>> is over the events as they are unfolding. >>> >>> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on >>> the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that >>> they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their >>> affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and >>> the other side cannot do nothing right... >>> >>> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange >>> of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, >>> watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is >>> embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks >>> trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >>> >>> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it >>> should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the >>> media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering >>> only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the clips of trouble >>> at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >>> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad >>> behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security >>> there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person >>> being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to >>> condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >>> >>> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you >>> want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, >>> have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other >>> parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good >>> for anyone.... As such their is rising concern. >>> >>> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can >>> control.... historically speaking when that particular type of >>> genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to >>> control it ..... >>> >>> :) >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>> <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or >>> Email: [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the >>> sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like >>> Hitler. You have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but >>> I’d >>> rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like >>> Facebook. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of >>> *Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push >>> back...most fights start that way...literally and >>> figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him >>> audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go >>> back to old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? >>> Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears >>> foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of >>> Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led >>> to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on >>> things from my ancestors and upbringing plus >>> traveling. Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. >>> I >>> normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too >>> much at stake...Trump will not win. >>> >>> >>
