That's really simple, Pedro works for 4 dollars an hour, John demands minimum wage which sets off the tax chain. Farmers prices skyrocket. If the illegal immigrant flow were to stop, the 4 dollar pool would be depleted. Then you have a nice massive vaccuum in the ag industry. There is the opportunity to put welfare to work. Us citizens on welfare now have jobs. Farmers are already subsidized, move the direct to citizen welfare over to the ag industry to subsidize payroll, the welfare recipients see a net increase in tax free income. That's just the ag industry. The biggest issue is not stopping illegal immigration. A wall would do wonders for that. The biggest issue is streamlining legal immigration so those who need in, can actually do so. I'm a proponent of walled border towns for housing, vetting, and integrating. There's no reason people should be waiting 7 years to known if they're getting kicked to the curb. Slow the illegal entry of criminals into the US it solidifies the US as an ally to Mexico to provide material support in combatting directly the cartels. There is no reason immigration reform has to end with the US and Mexico becoming enemies. We absolutely need to hold the ag industry to account as a primary player in the illegal immigration problems that plague the US. But you can't just pull the rug out from under a subsidized industry. On Mar 13, 2016 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> I got to thinking about the labor issue with the farms. I’m having a hard > time understanding how we can have tens of millions of people on government > assistance and we can’t find farm workers. I’d like to make working on > farms or other businesses being a requirement for a welfare check. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:09 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 > > > > Some are here for jobs, some are here to escape massive corruption and > drug cartels. These are jobs that most American's don't want to do - either > the work is "too hard" or pay "too low" - which really the latter is true. > I came from a farm community (Kentucky Tobacco) and have seen how hard they > work. Many have two or three jobs, and they share a trailer and a truck. > They take shifts sleeping on the available beds, and send most of their > checks home to their families to take care of them. Some save to bring > their families here. Very few of these workers were paid minimum wage, but > they were often given a trailer to stay in (for the group). Rows and rows > of trailers per farm. > > You deport these guys, American agriculture will suffer. The farm > subsidies get sucked up by the conglomerates, and the regular guys get very > little. > > The drug demand has nothing to do with illegal or legal. Have you ever > done any drugs? Ever? My guess is no, but I've been wrong before - ask my > wife! Drugs are an escape, a booster, and the harder ones are ruthlessly > addictive, both physically and psychologically. Just once or twice is > enough to make it very difficult if not impossible to overcome by yourself, > if ever. And they are SO CHEAP (meth, heroin). > > On Mar 13, 2016 8:49 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Really, you think we would have massive illegal immigration if we had no > jobs being offered then? > You also believe that if nobody demanded drugs there would be people > killing each other to get it here? > We can disagree on if punishing a drug user is either right it would make > any difference on then wanting the drug. But you surely cannot argue that > it is demand that drives the supply, not the other way around. > My point is just that the demand for cheap labor and the willingness to > break the law to get it drives illegal immigration. I think you are letting > your desire for penalty fee drug use get in the way of your judgement. > OK, I made that last part up but you really don't understand the basics of > supply and demand? > > > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 8:08 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > agreed > > Legal or illegal, has nothing to do with drugs. If people want to do > something they will. > > On Mar 13, 2016 7:28 PM, "Jerry Head" <li...@blountbroadband.com> wrote: > > " Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't penalize the user > you get increasing demand." > > This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on > this list. > Wow.... > > On 3/13/2016 6:35 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > I agree with that. Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't > penalize the user you get increasing demand. If you don't punish the > employer you get increasing demand. > > > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 2:56 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Far less than many believe.... you need documentation which of course can > be faked...but percentage wise more welfare in southern states. Most > undocumented workers fend for themselves holding two or three shit jobs no > one wants. See who is working on highways late at night or in hot sun in > Texas...a white foreman and ton of Hispanics.... I have travelled just > about every rode in Texas.... go to Chile harvests in Hatch,NM. Like I > said..no demand, no supply.... simple Adam Smith theory in action. > > On Mar 13, 2016 1:06 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Immigration should have been unfettered in 1893 because there was no > welfare state in existence then. The combination of unrestricted > immigration and a comprehensive welfare system has the potential to > bankrupt the U.S. I have no idea if immigrants make up a larger part of the > welfare system than any other, just that the potential is there. > > > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 11:35 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > > >
