Good morning. Enacted vs in-acted ? Your phone has a strange sense of phrasing... sarcasm? On Mar 14, 2016 6:19 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Every government action has unintended consequences. The fact that they > have to be in-acted for a general problem with general solutions means that > they fit only a small portion of the situations with any appropriateness. > Everyone else just gets jammed through the same hole as the few that are > the peg. > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 9:35 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > >> That's a tough one. >> >> On one hand, with the government already giving out welfare checks that >> could help with labor costs on small and medium farms - work the farm, get >> a check. So, what's to encourage a farmer to pay more than minimum wage >> (discouraging potential applicants internationally) if he can just tell the >> Fed "send me workers". >> >> I also personally know cases of very good high level workers in various >> industries who had problems for over a year finding a job - but once they >> finally did after hundreds of applications, they were back to making six >> figures or higher. It's hard to work somewhere for 20 years or more and >> retire there unless in government or state work. >> >> Decent idea, but it would need some controls in place so it doesn't cause >> inadvertent issues. >> >> +1 >> On Mar 13, 2016 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >> >>> I got to thinking about the labor issue with the farms. I’m having a >>> hard time understanding how we can have tens of millions of people on >>> government assistance and we can’t find farm workers. I’d like to make >>> working on farms or other businesses being a requirement for a welfare >>> check. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:09 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 >>> >>> >>> >>> Some are here for jobs, some are here to escape massive corruption and >>> drug cartels. These are jobs that most American's don't want to do - either >>> the work is "too hard" or pay "too low" - which really the latter is true. >>> I came from a farm community (Kentucky Tobacco) and have seen how hard they >>> work. Many have two or three jobs, and they share a trailer and a truck. >>> They take shifts sleeping on the available beds, and send most of their >>> checks home to their families to take care of them. Some save to bring >>> their families here. Very few of these workers were paid minimum wage, but >>> they were often given a trailer to stay in (for the group). Rows and rows >>> of trailers per farm. >>> >>> You deport these guys, American agriculture will suffer. The farm >>> subsidies get sucked up by the conglomerates, and the regular guys get very >>> little. >>> >>> The drug demand has nothing to do with illegal or legal. Have you ever >>> done any drugs? Ever? My guess is no, but I've been wrong before - ask my >>> wife! Drugs are an escape, a booster, and the harder ones are ruthlessly >>> addictive, both physically and psychologically. Just once or twice is >>> enough to make it very difficult if not impossible to overcome by yourself, >>> if ever. And they are SO CHEAP (meth, heroin). >>> >> On Mar 13, 2016 8:49 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> Really, you think we would have massive illegal immigration if we had no >>> jobs being offered then? >>> You also believe that if nobody demanded drugs there would be people >>> killing each other to get it here? >>> We can disagree on if punishing a drug user is either right it would >>> make any difference on then wanting the drug. But you surely cannot argue >>> that it is demand that drives the supply, not the other way around. >>> My point is just that the demand for cheap labor and the willingness to >>> break the law to get it drives illegal immigration. I think you are letting >>> your desire for penalty fee drug use get in the way of your judgement. >>> OK, I made that last part up but you really don't understand the basics >>> of supply and demand? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 8:08 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> agreed >>> >>> Legal or illegal, has nothing to do with drugs. If people want to do >>> something they will. >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2016 7:28 PM, "Jerry Head" <li...@blountbroadband.com> wrote: >>> >>> " Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't penalize the user >>> you get increasing demand." >>> >>> This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on >>> this list. >>> Wow.... >>> >>> On 3/13/2016 6:35 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>> >>> I agree with that. Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't >>> penalize the user you get increasing demand. If you don't punish the >>> employer you get increasing demand. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 2:56 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Far less than many believe.... you need documentation which of course >>> can be faked...but percentage wise more welfare in southern states. Most >>> undocumented workers fend for themselves holding two or three shit jobs no >>> one wants. See who is working on highways late at night or in hot sun in >>> Texas...a white foreman and ton of Hispanics.... I have travelled just >>> about every rode in Texas.... go to Chile harvests in Hatch,NM. Like I >>> said..no demand, no supply.... simple Adam Smith theory in action. >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2016 1:06 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Immigration should have been unfettered in 1893 because there was no >>> welfare state in existence then. The combination of unrestricted >>> immigration and a comprehensive welfare system has the potential to >>> bankrupt the U.S. I have no idea if immigrants make up a larger part of the >>> welfare system than any other, just that the potential is there. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 11:35 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>
