Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read your post properly.
*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of
us hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via
legislation. How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the
wishes of the boss. He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I
give it a good try.
Persecution?
*From:* Josh Reynolds <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation,
in a country created to escape persecution from religion?
On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion.
If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc.
>Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed
above).
>>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has
communicated its wishes with man.
>>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine
of churches or bodies of scripture.
>>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man.
The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you
believe the above.
You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person
should hedge their bets against actually not knowing that they are
totally right about that. Could be that every time you eat
spaghetti you are committing a mortal sin. Could be.
For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity
and do my thing, while you do your thing.
But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider
mortal sins, I will try.
*From:* Josh Reynolds <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion?
Those are medical issues.
On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church
on every corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more
than capable.
My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things)
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood
are actually upset about is they offer birth control.
Some people obsess about poor people having sex without
the punishment of getting pregnant. See this if you forgot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy
I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion
yet also extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted
pregnancies = less abortions. Which is the lesser evil?
I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with
sex, especially “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors
#getalife
*From:* Josh Reynolds <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you
think.
On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here.
I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know
a handful of gay people. Not my cup of tea but the
government doesn't have any right telling them what
they can or can't do.
Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt.
Now, I'm not so sure on that. When I was growing up
there were few gay couples who had "come out" and we
thought if the girl had a different last name than her
mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different
now but it could still screw with a kids head in terms
of "traditional marriage".
It would be hard to NOT state that traditional
marriage has gone to hell in this country. But then
again, so many "traditional" things have gone to
hell. How many women stay at home and take care of
the family while dad goes to work?
I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The
videos pretty much got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS.
Defund it. There are plenty of other
non-government-funded entities who can do that work.
Any tax is bad :)
I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Josh Reynolds <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
His stances:
Gay marriage is wrong
He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple
Defund planned parenthood
Raising corporate tax is bad
Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for
juveniles.
Wants to drill in ANWR
Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy.
Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for
federal employees.
Votes for PATRIOT act over and over
Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance
against us citizens
Denied additional funding that would provide
expanded child healthcare
"Let's build a fence!"
Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal
immigrants who received hospital treatment
Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a
"nope" for me.
On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man
crush.
I didn’t see how his math added up for the
budgets he proposed. There were some missing
pages where magic happened to balance the
budget. Seemed like the same old voodoo economics.
So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin?
At least Putin is supposedly an 8th degree
black belt. He would probably take care of the
protester himself. If Trump thinks he can
bully the Putins of the world, I’m not so
sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair
fight. Hell, Bernie could probably take him.
I was never fond of Nixon, but the photo of
the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a
treasure.
http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the
first time he appeared on the national stage.
Very impressed with him. Could almost call
him my "man crush". I'd be interested in
hearing what you do not like about him Ken.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's
Supporters Love Him Even More AfterChicago
Violence
I think the "establishment" is missing why
people are fed up with them, I'm
not convinced it's about left or right.
If I had to single out one person
as the poster boy for why the
establishment has failed us, it would be
Mitch
McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have
only been worried about their own
power and re-election, but McConnell is
the worst of a bad bunch.
I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics
or some of his politics, but I like
what he has said since being elected
Speaker. I would like to see if they
are just words, or if he would translate
them into actions. I don't think
we will get to find out, election politics
seem to have rendered him
irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would
have to be replaced with someone
actually interested in governing. I
wonder what conservative goals could
have been accomplished in the 7 years
Mitch has spent trying to make Obama
fail no matter how much damage it causes.
Tort reform? Modifications to
Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform?
Immigration reform? Mitch
doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch.
That's the problem with the
establishment, they spend all their effort
on getting elected and staying in
power, they don't even pretend to do their
job. And let me be clear, I'm
not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were
much better, it's just McConnell is
the most blatant hack of the bunch, every
time I see him on TV I feel he is
giving me the finger.
I am probably fooling myself that Paul
Ryan would be different, but I don't
think we'll find out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's
Supporters Love Him Even More After
Chicago Violence
IMO, Obama moved right, and the
Republicans moved further to the right.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Obama moved right as much as the
Republicans moved left. Everybody's idea
> of compromise these days is you come to
where I am and I'll make a deal.
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