Sorry CORRECTION, **birth** not conception. I'm feeling groggy from the time shift, and have not had enough coffee.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > Upon natural or medically induced conception. Until then it is an > organism that receives sustenance from the mother's body, thus is part > of the mother - and her decision. You don't have to agree with me, and > that's fine, but you shouldn't force legislation preventing people > from making decisions about their bodies and their children. That's > for them to decide, and they have to live with the choices they make. > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: >> So at what age should state sanctioned murder be stopped, or is all just up >> to the individual and their "belief"? >> >> On Mar 14, 2016 1:13 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote: >>> >>> No, I want to go back to persecution. It is persecution because you would >>> be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss as you understand them. Not >>> necessarily as I see those wishes. Therefore by supporting legislation that >>> affects the population as a whole, you are imposing your beliefs upon me, >>> against my will. I may have the equally valid belief that the boss upstairs >>> wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately make decisions for ourselves >>> (and of course take responsibility for those decisions). Someone with such >>> beliefs would only support legislation that would make decisions such as >>> birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to each individual, her >>> conscience, and her relationship with the boss. >>> >>> ~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a political or religious >>> discussion. My apologies. >>> >>> On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read your post properly. >>> >>> From: Chuck McCown >>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>> >>> If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of us >>> hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via legislation. >>> How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the wishes of the boss. >>> He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give it a good try. >>> >>> Persecution? >>> >>> From: Josh Reynolds >>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>> >>> >>> So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, in >>> a country created to escape persecution from religion? >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care, >>>> contraception, or abortion. >>>> >>>> If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc. >>>> >Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed above). >>>> >>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its >>>> >> wishes with man. >>>> >>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of >>>> >>> churches or bodies of scripture. >>>> >>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man. >>>> The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe >>>> the above. >>>> >>>> You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should hedge >>>> their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right about >>>> that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a >>>> mortal sin. Could be. >>>> >>>> For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and do >>>> my thing, while you do your thing. >>>> But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal >>>> sins, I will try. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>> >>>> >>>> Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care, >>>> contraception, or abortion? >>>> >>>> Those are medical issues. >>>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on every >>>>> corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable. >>>>> >>>>> My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Ken Hohhof >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>> >>>>> What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually >>>>> upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about poor >>>>> people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See this if >>>>> you forgot: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy >>>>> >>>>> I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also >>>>> extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less abortions. >>>>> Which is the lesser evil? >>>>> >>>>> I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially >>>>> “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of gay >>>>>> people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right >>>>>> telling >>>>>> them what they can or can't do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not so >>>>>> sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who had >>>>>> "come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than her >>>>>> mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it could >>>>>> still >>>>>> screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage". >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to >>>>>> hell in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things have >>>>>> gone to hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the family >>>>>> while >>>>>> dad goes to work? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty much >>>>>> got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of other >>>>>> non-government-funded entities who can do that work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any tax is bad :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>> His stances: >>>>>> Gay marriage is wrong >>>>>> He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple >>>>>> Defund planned parenthood >>>>>> Raising corporate tax is bad >>>>>> Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles. >>>>>> Wants to drill in ANWR >>>>>> Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy. >>>>>> Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees. >>>>>> Votes for PATRIOT act over and over >>>>>> Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens >>>>>> Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child healthcare >>>>>> "Let's build a fence!" >>>>>> Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received >>>>>> hospital treatment >>>>>> >>>>>> Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. There >>>>>>> were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget. >>>>>>> Seemed >>>>>>> like the same old voodoo economics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is >>>>>>> supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care of the >>>>>>> protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the >>>>>>> world, >>>>>>> I’m not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. Hell, >>>>>>> Bernie could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the >>>>>>> photo of >>>>>>> the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared on >>>>>>> the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call him my >>>>>>> "man >>>>>>> crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about him >>>>>>> Ken. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>>>>> AfterChicago Violence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with >>>>>>> them, I'm >>>>>>> not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out one >>>>>>> person >>>>>>> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would be >>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>> McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about >>>>>>> their own >>>>>>> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, but >>>>>>> I like >>>>>>> what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to see if >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I don't >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him >>>>>>> irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with >>>>>>> someone >>>>>>> actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative goals >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make >>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>> fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform? Modifications >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform? >>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>> doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with the >>>>>>> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and >>>>>>> staying in >>>>>>> power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be clear, >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just >>>>>>> McConnell is >>>>>>> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I feel >>>>>>> he is >>>>>>> giving me the finger. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but I >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> think we'll find out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Bill Prince >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>>>>> After >>>>>>> Chicago Violence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the >>>>>>> right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bp >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>>>> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's >>>>>>> > idea >>>>>>> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a >>>>>>> > deal. >>>>>>> >>> !DSPAM:2,56e643e613941725215664! >>> >>> >>
