I agree 100%. On Monday, March 14, 2016, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote:
> Upon natural or medically induced conception. Until then it is an > organism that receives sustenance from the mother's body, thus is part > of the mother - and her decision. You don't have to agree with me, and > that's fine, but you shouldn't force legislation preventing people > from making decisions about their bodies and their children. That's > for them to decide, and they have to live with the choices they make. > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > So at what age should state sanctioned murder be stopped, or is all just > up > > to the individual and their "belief"? > > > > On Mar 14, 2016 1:13 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > >> No, I want to go back to persecution. It is persecution because you > would > >> be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss as you understand them. > Not > >> necessarily as I see those wishes. Therefore by supporting legislation > that > >> affects the population as a whole, you are imposing your beliefs upon > me, > >> against my will. I may have the equally valid belief that the boss > upstairs > >> wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately make decisions for > ourselves > >> (and of course take responsibility for those decisions). Someone with > such > >> beliefs would only support legislation that would make decisions such as > >> birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to each individual, her > >> conscience, and her relationship with the boss. > >> > >> ~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a political or religious > >> discussion. My apologies. > >> > >> On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> > >> Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read your post properly. > >> > >> From: Chuck McCown > >> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM > >> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > >> > >> If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of > us > >> hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via legislation. > >> How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the wishes of the > boss. > >> He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give it a good try. > >> > >> Persecution? > >> > >> From: Josh Reynolds > >> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM > >> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > >> > >> > >> So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, > in > >> a country created to escape persecution from religion? > >> > >> On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care, > >>> contraception, or abortion. > >>> > >>> If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc. > >>> >Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed > above). > >>> >>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its > >>> >> wishes with man. > >>> >>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of > >>> >>> churches or bodies of scripture. > >>> >>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man. > >>> The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe > >>> the above. > >>> > >>> You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should > hedge > >>> their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right > about > >>> that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a > >>> mortal sin. Could be. > >>> > >>> For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and > do > >>> my thing, while you do your thing. > >>> But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal > >>> sins, I will try. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Josh Reynolds > >>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM > >>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > >>> > >>> > >>> Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care, > >>> contraception, or abortion? > >>> > >>> Those are medical issues. > >>> > >>> On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on > every > >>>> corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable. > >>>> > >>>> My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Ken Hohhof > >>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > >>>> > >>>> What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually > >>>> upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about > poor > >>>> people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See > this if > >>>> you forgot: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy > >>>> > >>>> I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also > >>>> extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less > abortions. > >>>> Which is the lesser evil? > >>>> > >>>> I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially > >>>> “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Josh Reynolds > >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM > >>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think. > >>>> > >>>> On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < > [email protected] <javascript:;>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of > gay > >>>>> people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right > telling > >>>>> them what they can or can't do. > >>>>> > >>>>> Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not > so > >>>>> sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who > had > >>>>> "come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than > her > >>>>> mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it > could still > >>>>> screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage". > >>>>> > >>>>> It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to > >>>>> hell in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things > have > >>>>> gone to hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the > family while > >>>>> dad goes to work? > >>>>> > >>>>> I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty > much > >>>>> got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of > other > >>>>> non-government-funded entities who can do that work. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any tax is bad :) > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Josh Reynolds > >>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > >>>>> > >>>>> His stances: > >>>>> Gay marriage is wrong > >>>>> He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple > >>>>> Defund planned parenthood > >>>>> Raising corporate tax is bad > >>>>> Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles. > >>>>> Wants to drill in ANWR > >>>>> Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy. > >>>>> Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees. > >>>>> Votes for PATRIOT act over and over > >>>>> Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens > >>>>> Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child > healthcare > >>>>> "Let's build a fence!" > >>>>> Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received > >>>>> hospital treatment > >>>>> > >>>>> Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. > There > >>>>>> were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the > budget. Seemed > >>>>>> like the same old voodoo economics. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is > >>>>>> supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care > of the > >>>>>> protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the > world, > >>>>>> I’m not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. > Hell, > >>>>>> Bernie could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the > photo of > >>>>>> the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM > >>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared > on > >>>>>> the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call > him my "man > >>>>>> crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about > him Ken. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof > >>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More > >>>>>> AfterChicago Violence > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with > >>>>>> them, I'm > >>>>>> not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out one > >>>>>> person > >>>>>> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would > be > >>>>>> Mitch > >>>>>> McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about > >>>>>> their own > >>>>>> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, > but > >>>>>> I like > >>>>>> what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to see > if > >>>>>> they > >>>>>> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I don't > >>>>>> think > >>>>>> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him > >>>>>> irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with > >>>>>> someone > >>>>>> actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative goals > >>>>>> could > >>>>>> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make > >>>>>> Obama > >>>>>> fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform? > Modifications > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform? > >>>>>> Mitch > >>>>>> doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with the > >>>>>> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and > >>>>>> staying in > >>>>>> power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be > clear, > >>>>>> I'm > >>>>>> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just > >>>>>> McConnell is > >>>>>> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I > feel > >>>>>> he is > >>>>>> giving me the finger. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but > I > >>>>>> don't > >>>>>> think we'll find out. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: Bill Prince > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM > >>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More > >>>>>> After > >>>>>> Chicago Violence > >>>>>> > >>>>>> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the > >>>>>> right. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> bp > >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: > >>>>>> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. > Everybody's > >>>>>> > idea > >>>>>> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a > >>>>>> > deal. > >>>>>> > >> !DSPAM:2,56e643e613941725215664! > >> > >> > > >
