Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan

Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:54:11 -0700

I don't believe many people are actually pro-abortion. And I don't think Josh characterized it is a "handy solution".
What I fail to understand is people who don't want others to have access to birth control, like condoms or birth control pills or even "morning after" pills. You may believe life begins at conception and apply that in your own life. But if you don't want others to have abortions, the most effective way to that goal is to accept that others might use contraception or family planning methods that are not 100% per your religious beliefs. 


I put the abstinence-only people in this same category.  That is not a 
realistic approach, if your goal is really to reduce the number of 
abortions.  It sounds a lot more like if you're going to have sex, you 
deserve to get pregnant, you slut




-----Original Message----- 
From: [email protected]

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 1:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan

I used to believe like you.  During my teen years, having lots of fun with
the opposite sex, I figured abortion was a handy solution to a problem if it
cropped up.

Then I got married.  My wife got pregnant.  We went to the first ultrasound.
I saw my daughter as the miniature human she was.  Stretching her arms and
sucking her tumb.  All as 16 week.

Then I saw the light...


-----Original Message----- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Paul Ryan

Sorry CORRECTION, **birth** not conception.

I'm feeling groggy from the time shift, and have not had enough coffee.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote:

Upon natural or medically induced conception. Until then it is an
organism that receives sustenance from the mother's body, thus is part
of the mother - and her decision. You don't have to agree with me, and
that's fine, but you shouldn't force legislation preventing people
from making decisions about their bodies and their children. That's
for them to decide, and they have to live with the choices they make.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote:

So at what age should state sanctioned murder be stopped, or is all just 
up

to the individual and their "belief"?

On Mar 14, 2016 1:13 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <[email protected]> wrote:



No, I want to go back to persecution.  It is persecution because you 
would
be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss as you understand them. 
Not
necessarily as I see those wishes.  Therefore by supporting legislation 
that
affects the population as a whole, you are imposing your beliefs upon 
me,
against my will.  I may have the equally valid belief that the boss 
upstairs
wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately make decisions for 
ourselves
(and of course take responsibility for those decisions).  Someone with 
such

beliefs would only support legislation that would make decisions such as
birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to each individual, her
conscience, and her relationship with the boss.

~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a political or religious
discussion.  My apologies.

On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read your post properly.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan


If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of 
us

hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via legislation.

How is that persecution?  Just trying to carry out the wishes of the 
boss.

He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give it a good try.

Persecution?

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan



So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, 
in

a country created to escape persecution from religion?

On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:


Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion.

If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc.

>Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed 
>above).

>>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its
>> wishes with man.
>>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of
>>> churches or bodies of scripture.
>>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man.
The church needs to be involved in all facets of life.  If you believe
the above.


You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should 
hedge
their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right 
about

that.   Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a
mortal sin.  Could be.


For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and 
do

my thing, while you do your thing.
But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal
sins, I will try.





From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan


Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion?

Those are medical issues.

On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]>
wrote:




Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on 
every

corner.  Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable.

My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things)


----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan

What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually

upset about is they offer birth control.  Some people obsess about 
poor
people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant.  See 
this if

you forgot:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy

I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also

extremely anti-contraception.  Less unwanted pregnancies = less 
abortions.

Which is the lesser evil?

I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially
“other” people having sex.  #nosyneighbors #getalife


From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan


Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think.


On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<[email protected]>

wrote:



Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here.


I don't care about gay marriage.  I'm not gay, I know a handful of 
gay
people.  Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right 
telling

them what they can or can't do.


Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt.   Now, I'm not 
so
sure on that.  When I was growing up there were few gay couples who 
had
"come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than 
her
mommy we thought that was odd.  Quite a bit different now but it 
could still

screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage".

It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to

hell in this country.  But then again, so many "traditional" things 
have
gone to hell.  How many women stay at home and take care of the 
family while

dad goes to work?


I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood.  The videos pretty 
much
got to me.  It's MY TAX DOLLARS.  Defund it.  There are plenty of 
other

non-government-funded entities who can do that work.

Any tax is bad :)

I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol





----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Reynolds
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan

His stances:
Gay marriage is wrong
He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple
Defund planned parenthood
Raising corporate tax is bad
Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles.
Wants to drill in ANWR
Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy.
Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees.
Votes for PATRIOT act over and over
Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens

Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child 
healthcare

"Let's build a fence!"
Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received
hospital treatment

Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me.

On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:


Hey, I said I liked him.  Just not full on man crush.


I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. 
There
were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget. 
Seemed

like the same old voodoo economics.

So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin?  At least Putin is

supposedly an 8th degree black belt.  He would probably take care of 
the
protester himself.  If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the 
world,
I’m not so sure.  I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. 
Hell,
Bernie could probably take him.  I was never fond of Nixon, but the 
photo of

the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure.

http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev



From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan



I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared 
on
the national stage.  Very impressed with him.  Could almost call him 
my "man
crush".   I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about 
him Ken.



----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
AfterChicago Violence

I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with
them, I'm
not convinced it's about left or right.  If I had to single out one
person

as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would 
be

Mitch
McConnell.  All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about
their own
power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch.


I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, 
but

I like

what he has said since being elected Speaker.  I would like to see 
if

they
are just words, or if he would translate them into actions.  I don't
think
we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him
irrelevant.  And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with
someone
actually interested in governing.  I wonder what conservative goals
could
have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make
Obama

fail no matter how much damage it causes.  Tort reform? 
Modifications

to
Obamacare?  Fix sequestration?  Tax reform?  Immigration reform?
Mitch
doesn't care.  Mitch cares about Mitch.  That's the problem with the
establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and
staying in

power, they don't even pretend to do their job.  And let me be 
clear,

I'm
not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just
McConnell is

the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I 
feel

he is
giving me the finger.


I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but 
I

don't
think we'll find out.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
After
Chicago Violence

IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the
right.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

> Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. 
> Everybody's

> idea
> of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a
> deal.


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